Bad show, Volkswagon. I expected better of you.

[mtrycrafts]

I just knew they were trying to hide something.

On another note, that's pretty slick. Wonder what the fine will be?

Don't you have a bigger picture; microdots are not my bag.

 

[jliedeka]

I test drove a 2015 Golf TDI a couple of months ago. It was ok but I could smell diesel from the cabin. That was a turn off. Plus I test drove a GTI after which was way more fun. I didn't end up buying either, though.

This is definitely a mess. I don't think it's the end of VW but they are going to be hurting for a while. It's great news for GM to have VW getting all the hate now.

Jim

 

[3db]

I test drove a 2015 Golf TDI a couple of months ago. It was ok but I could smell diesel from the cabin. That was a turn off. Plus I test drove a GTI after which was way more fun. I didn't end up buying either, though.

This is definitely a mess. I don't think it's the end of VW but they are going to be hurting for a while. It's great news for GM to have VW getting all the hate now.

Jim

What GM did is far worse than VW and should remain on the hate list. VW's covert activities didn't cost people their lives unlike the ignition switches.

 

[markw]

What GM did is far worse than VW and should remain on the hate list. VW's covert activities didn't cost people their lives unlike the ignition switches.

Agree. Nobody lost their lives over VW's transgression.

 

[TheWarrior]

Well, looks like I'll be driving to Savannah next weekend. Spewing large amounts of NOS and various long chain hydrocarbons in the process. I'd say I'm sorry, but no.

I still expect 42-44 mpg!

 

[KEW]

Well, looks like I'll be driving to Savannah next weekend. Spewing large amounts of NOS and various long chain hydrocarbons in the process. I'd say I'm sorry, but no.

I still expect 42-44 mpg!

VW is the sorry one!
You just don't have any scruples!

 

[Rickster71]

VW was a bad boy and I can't justify what they did.
It just seems when it comes to our EPA, it's a case of the Pot calling the Kettle...
http://www.amlibpub.com/essays/ethanol-and-mtbeshoud-epa-be-abolished.html

Or this summer when the EPA polluted the Colorado River and into Mexico.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2015/08/13/epas-toxic-spill-shows-its-still-the-worst-regulatory-agency-in-history-but-perhaps-i-understate/

 

[Chu Gai]

You didn't like the EPA's coloring of the river and the administration's proactive response?

 

[rojo]

 

[mtrycrafts]

Well, looks like I'll be driving to Savannah next weekend. Spewing large amounts of NOS and various long chain hydrocarbons in the process. I'd say I'm sorry, but no.

I still expect 42-44 mpg!

A Prius will do better.

 

[TheWarrior]

A Prius will do better.

I dislike this comment. But can't deny the truth behind it.

Still waiting for my, "sorry your car is worthless" check...

 

[jinjuku]

So it is beginning to look like two different updates are potentially going to happen:

The 2009 - 2012 model years may be ECU addressable directly.

The 2013/14 years may need hardware hacked on due to the catalytic systems on those cars in addition to the ECU being reprogrammed.

 

[TheWarrior]

So it is beginning to look like two different updates are potentially going to happen:

The 2009 - 2012 model years may be ECU addressable directly.

The 2013/14 years may need hardware hacked on due to the catalytic systems on those cars in addition to the ECU being reprogrammed.

2012 saw the introduction of urea treatment (ad blue) so there should definitely be at least two solutions.

I find it interesting that my 2009 will in fact be 'fixable' by simply decreasing the fuel flow. Hopefully, under normal driving, that leads to increased range. The first 3 gears are fairly low, so quick acceleration is not possible with that many gear changes anyway! And due to the nature of diesel motors, I don't see why there would be a very noticeable decrease in torque, which is where all the 'fun' is found!

 

[Johnny2Bad]

This is what I find most interesting about the VW ECU fiasco.

The auto OEM's have been spending the last few years lobbying to put auto ECU's (and all other automotive software authored by the OEM) under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and make any modification of said software illegal.

In opposition are hot rodders and those who make aftermarket ECU's which are pretty much mandatory to allow engine swaps, for example.

As of this summer (2015) it looked like the OEMs had enough ears in Washington to get their way. I suspect that has taken a beating now; the OEMs may never get their wish now, or if they do, it will be much watered down.

 

[haraldo]

The talk says the fine could be upwards of $18 billion. $37,500 for each of the 482,000 affected cars. This doesn't include the stock plunge, loss of sales, etc.


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According to Credit Suisse, the expenses is suggested to be exceeding $83 Billion ...

 

[Chu Gai]

Time for a GoFundMe page or something.

 

[haraldo]

Yep... The next models will be crowdfunded

 

[KEW]

The talk says the fine could be upwards of $18 billion. $37,500 for each of the 482,000 affected cars. This doesn't include the stock plunge, loss of sales, etc.


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Meanwhile, VW has earmarked $7.3 billion for 11 million cars world-wide or $663 per vehicle.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/news/vw-recall-diesel/

 

[TheWarrior]

Meanwhile, VW has earmarked $7.3 billion for 11 million cars world-wide or $663 per vehicle.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/news/vw-recall-diesel/

Well whoop-de-sh*t!

 

[Rickster71]

Diesels from Mercedes, Honda, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Fiat, Volvo, and other automakers significantly exceed legal limits in real-world testing.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/news/a26980/report-diesel-emissions-cheating-everyone-does-it/
The Guardian's reporting points out something that's been feared ever since emissions testing began: lab-based tests often do not accurately measure how a car performs in real-world use, and automakers often engineer their products to meet regulatory tests while emitting far more than the legal limit when driven in the real world.