Kid Builds Clock; Get Arrested

[Rickster71]

This seems like a good place for this article - Why People Are Irrational About Politics
http://www.owl232.net/irrationality.htm
It's a very good read for the open minded out there.

 

[jinjuku]

A social experiment"?? Now that's funny. And Timothy McVeigh was simply transporting truckload of fertilizer and it accidentally detonated.

The guy was out for two things.

1) Make it look like muslims are a poor, innocent people who are unjustly picked on. Yes, a fine upstanding people who kill their daughters if they go against "their" laws.

2) Sue the powers that be and make a ton of money.

To accomplish this he had no qualms sending his son to do the dirty work.

That you can find it in yourself to defend this is funny, and a peek into what makes you tick.

http://conservativetribune.com/media-adores-bomb-clock-kid/

and, if you really can't see the relevance of that meme then you really shouldn't be in this conversation. It didn't use any big words so it should be understandable by almost anyone.

Mark you are just rolling around in the dead skunk carcass of conjecture at this point. I find you unreasonable in this regard.

 

[Adam]

I can still remember when this forum was alive enough that people would post stuff like this:

 

[markw]

Mark you are just rolling around in the dead skunk carcass of conjecture at this point. I find you unreasonable in this regard.

And you,, sir, are spewing forth what amounts to the same by your denial of the truth. These people have been using the shadow of doubt as a weapon for ages. 9/11 was perpetrated with nothing more than a few box cutters. The USS Cole incident was accomplished by a seemingly innocent boat coming close to a US ship, and the Boston bombing was a simple backpack on a street, and let's not forget their trademarked suicide bombers.

Oh, and the fact that the kids pop is a known muslim instigator doesn't seem to factor in to your thinking, does it.

Speculation, or deductive reasoning. You take your choice.

Anyhow, I'm done if you are. We've both made our points.

 

[herbu]

I find the scale of it ludicrous, but that's certainly not unique.

Nail on the head. (Oh My... that's a short skirt on FOX News!!! Sorry, got distracted.) A lot of this goes to the competing multiple news outlets. It has been true ever since there have been cities with more than one newspaper.

We forget that a news outlet is a business. It exists to make money. Period. There is no higher calling, moral compass or social conscience. Make money. And to do that you want to be the VERY FIRST to break a story... any story. Even better if it has sex, drugs, celebrities, politicians, and these days any issue that is polarizing between liberals and conservatives, or can be made to be polarizing.

There is no money to be made by waiting until the facts and truth are revealed before you report. It's OK. It has always been true. The sad thing is that people seem to accept as gospel anything reported by their favorite outlet. It is a fact on which politicians have learned to rely, and which William Randolph Hearst knew 100 years ago.

 

[Chu Gai]

What is this obsession with short skirts on FOX when the Spanish TV programming is so much more revealing?

 

[jinjuku]

And you,, sir, are spewing forth what amounts to the same by your denial of the truth. These people have been using the shadow of doubt as a weapon for ages. 9/11 was perpetrated with nothing more than a few box cutters. The USS Cole incident was accomplished by a seemingly innocent boat coming close to a US ship, and the Boston bombing was a simple backpack on a street, and let's not forget their trademarked suicide bombers.

Oh, and the fact that the kids pop is a known muslim instigator doesn't seem to factor in to your thinking, does it.

Speculation, or deductive reasoning. You take your choice.

Anyhow, I'm done if you are. We've both made our points.

Then start providing relevant FACTS. Discourse is best done standing on the foundation of factual substance and not imagination.

Please note that I'm not denying the possibility that this was manufactured. I remember Jimmy Kimmel's TWERKING prank. I'm well aware of the ability to manipulate the media, the political infrastructure, and the gullible masses.

None of that changes the FACT that if he asked for his parents, irregardless of the why or how he got into that interrogation room, the questioning was supposed to stop. Just because something like this is potentially manufactured doesn't mean your constitutional rights went away.

If that is the way we are trending as a nation we are screwed.

 

[jinjuku]

I'm going to take a really 'left wing' position here and ask that any claims about this being manufactured be backed up with factual substance.

Name calling and ad-hom attacks aren't going to cut it.

Pick your position, back up that position with credible, factual, sources that pertain directly to this incident. Conjecture has already been well stated and doesn't need to be re-hashed.

This thread will be cordial, respectful, or locked. Take your pick. Because if you can't do it in a mature manure it won't happen at all.

 

[Adam]

Because if you can't do it in a mature manure...

Love it.

 

[Chu Gai]

According to law.freeadvice they say...

A juvenile or adult at a K-12 or higher level educational institution does not have to answer questions posed by a law enforcement officer while on school grounds. A juvenile or adult may remain silent, invoking the right to not incriminate oneself. Law enforcement officers are not allowed to direct school employees to question juveniles or adults regarding an offense. This is in large part because school employees are not required to read a juvenile or adult Miranda rights. School employees are allowed to ask juveniles or adults about offenses, especially those that concern the school, without a law enforcement officer present.

Schools should not use the juvenile or adult's failure to respond to a law enforcement officer or school employee directed by a law enforcement officer to punish a juvenile or adult. Schools may refer a juvenile or adult to the police department. A law enforcement officer may transport a juvenile or adult held in custody from a school to a police station or sheriff's office.

Law enforcement officers are required to make a good faith effort to locate a juvenile's parents or guardian before questioning. They do not have to make this effort for an adult. School employees are not required to locate a juvenile or adult's parents or guardian before questioning them.

Schools may punish juveniles or adults for failing to respect the authority of a law enforcement officer and school employees. Disrespect can be defined as leaving a room when ordered to stay or talking in an abusive manner to school employees or law enforcement officers.

Problems can arise when a juvenile or adult is ordered by school employees to remain in a room with law enforcement officers at the school. It can become unclear when a school's request or detention constitutes custody as directed by a law enforcement officer. Schools may use removal, suspension, and expulsion in coordination with law enforcement officers to transfer a juvenile or adult into the custody of a law enforcement officer.

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On other notes, Bill Maher had a show recently that looked into this situation. Mark Cuban said he spoke to Ahmed and his impression was that he was a bright person. He did state that when questioned about the events that transpired, he could hear what he believed to be his sister feeding him answers. Cuban also said that Ahmed brought the clock to various classes but it wasn't until he brought it to what I believe was his last class that the teacher became concerned.

Factual enough?

 

[jinjuku]

According to law.freeadvice they say...



On other notes, Bill Maher had a show recently that looked into this situation. Mark Cuban said he spoke to Ahmed and his impression was that he was a bright person. He did state that when questioned about the events that transpired, he could hear what he believed to be his sister feeding him answers. Cuban also said that Ahmed brought the clock to various classes but it wasn't until he brought it to what I believe was his last class that the teacher became concerned.

Factual enough?

No facts as of yet but I really appreciate the reasonableness of the response.

I'm not saying this wasn't orchestrated. But I can only reasonably go with what I know.

And the matter of the fact that anyone with children should be alarmed that they were remanded into police custody and questioned without their parent or legal guardian present.

Out of this entire thread I'm trying to point out that law enforcement isn't doing the job they are required to do and, IMO, breaking their Oath.

 

[Chu Gai]

I understand your point, Jinjuku, but what I don't know and what is unclear to me, is were there any laws or procedures broken? I understand how you feel this being a minor. I think most parents would feel the same way. Nothing other than perhaps fear or ignorance compelled the kid to respond to questioning though. It is my hope that the age of the child does not prevent the release of any video or audio surrounding this incident.
I've read where one of the reasons the father is offering that this is ethnically motivated has to do with the police referring to the kid by his last name, Mohammed. Don't know if it was just that or Mr. Mohammed. Me, I don't see it that way.

 

[markw]

I'll just throw in this one last comment: I'd like to see the kid try to go through security in an airport with that clock.

 

[Chu Gai]

I'll just throw in this one last comment: I'd like to see the kid try to go through security in an airport with that clock.

Indeed. Do you think the kid will take up Google's offer to bring his clock to their inventor's fair?

 

[jinjuku]

I'll just throw in this one last comment: I'd like to see the kid try to go through security in an airport with that clock.

You make a point Mark. But here is the difference I would like to see ANYONE try to go through security in an airport with that clock.

It's all about the even handed application of scrutiny or the not so even handed.

It's a point for society to discuss. We are capable of doing that rationally.

Brett Darrow is someone you should lookup on YouTube. It will give you an idea of why I don't have a problem setting up authority for the black eye they are going to serve themselves up.

If Cop's can setup sting operations then they shouldn't be so upset if they find themselves the focus of one. They are not beyond the law or scrutiny.

 

[Chu Gai]

Where is the sting operation here?

 

[jinjuku]

According to Mark this is all orchestrated. The average citizen can indeed perform a 'sting' operation.

 

[Chu Gai]

According to Mark this is all orchestrated. The average citizen can indeed perform a 'sting' operation.

I think sting might be the wrong word. I see elements that this was planned, staged looking to play up the Muslim aspect of things. Maybe something like fraud? Technological plagiarism?The Mohammed's will have no problem getting organizations like CAIR and soliciting donations for whatever purpose. There's an inherent reluctance to go after a kid. It just seems mean.

 

[markw]

A professional weighs in on the subject.

“I do believe that he should have been detained and if he did not answer questions properly and openly, arrested.

We cannot play politically correct games when reacting to anything that may be terror related or the potential of injuring or killing people.”

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/09/425062-stories-blowing-ahmeds-alarm-clock-heres-former-fbi-agent-told-us/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=culture

 

[jinjuku]

I think sting might be the wrong word. I see elements that this was planned, staged looking to play up the Muslim aspect of things. Maybe something like fraud? Technological plagiarism?The Mohammed's will have no problem getting organizations like CAIR and soliciting donations for whatever purpose. There's an inherent reluctance to go after a kid. It just seems mean.

I'm just stipulating that if this is indeed happening they aren't the first.

Just hit YouTube for Brett Darrow and you will see what I mean.