Coffee snob fooled by blind taste test.

mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Sorry to poop on everyone's parade, but there are (at least) two additional methods of brewing coffee and both involve pressure, which none of methods above used - in fact - they are all very similar.
I refer to Espresso and Moka pot, and both are so drastically different that I don't care who's the taster - they would know the difference.
You may not care, but unless the tests are performed, conclusions are unfounded.
 
Swerd

Swerd

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Kopi Luak :eek: civet coffee! Never tried it. An acquired taste. For those not in the know, civet coffee is gastrointestinally processed by a civet. I wouldn't want to be downwind from a civet coffee roaster.

Coffee from Targét, who knew?

Do you live in or near NYC? There are lots of smaller local roasters there. BSA knows of some good ones nearby where he lives.

Vietnamese coffee is unfortunately the cheap and bitter tasting robusta variety. It's grows fast, is loaded with caffeine, resists coffee rust (a fungal disease) and tastes terrible by itself. I guess it was a way they could jump start their coffee growing business. Large scale industrial coffee roasters mix robusta with the better tasting arabica varieties to keep prices low.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
My coffee maker is a Made-In-USA Mr. Coffee drippity-drip that we got as a wedding present twenty-six years ago. Someday, it's going to die, and I have no idea what I'll do then.
That's got to be some kind of record. I've gone through lots of cheap electric drip pots. They lasted only 2 or 3 years – the heating element always died. I used them once a day.

For what it's worth, I bought that Technivorm electric drip pot (made in Holland) some where between 5 and 10 years ago. It cost more, but it has lasted. But 26 years is a long time!
 
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Chu Gai

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I'm fairly close to NYC, Swerd and being that my wife has relatives there, we go in from time to time. There's a bit of a ritual though. Quick stop at Katz for pastrami and knockwurst, then off to this Chinese bakery for pork buns (steamed & baked), then to Atlantic Ave. for a stop at Damasus bakery to get pita bead, spinach and meat pies. Might as wll as a stop for a roaster, right?
 
Schurkey

Schurkey

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That's got to be some kind of record. I've gone through lots of cheap electric drip pots. They lasted only 2 or 3 years – the heating element always died. I used them once a day...
...But 26 years is a long time!
As you might surmise from a bag of coffee grounds lasting 6+ months, that coffee maker hasn't processed as much water as a person might expect in 26 years.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I'm fairly close to NYC, Swerd and being that my wife has relatives there, we go in from time to time. There's a bit of a ritual though. Quick stop at Katz for pastrami and knockwurst, then off to this Chinese bakery for pork buns (steamed & baked), then to Atlantic Ave. for a stop at Damasus bakery to get pita bead, spinach and meat pies. Might as wll as a stop for a roaster, right?
From what I'm told by BSA, some small local grocery stores have locally roasted coffees.

I also know of Gillies in Brooklyn. I've ordered from them in the past, they're not bad. But I like your idea better. Discovering a good local shop is part of the fun.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
As you might surmise from a bag of coffee grounds lasting 6+ months, that coffee maker hasn't processed as much water as a person might expect in 26 years.
See if you can sell it on fleabay as a vintage coffee brewer :rolleyes:. Ask $175 for it, it's museum quality.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
What did you find lacking with Gilles, Swerd?
Nothing lacking. Their Colombian single-origin was good. I was a bit disappointed with their 'Legendary Blend', but you can't know whether you really like something until you try it.

Since ordering from them a few times, I decided to roast my own full-time. Gillies seems to be a good roaster, but their prices for green coffee is higher than I get from other sources, such as Sweet Maria's.

If you do order from Gillies, they list a Costa Rica Estate Tarrazu, and a Guatemala Estate Antigua that might be good. But I'd wait about a month or two. Coffee has a season, and right now the new crop from Central America is not yet in or may be just arriving. Ask them if what they now stock is Old Crop or New Crop.
 
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Chu Gai

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I hear that things are so bad that in Venezuela which used to export coffe, the gov't is now importing it using oil to pay for it. Seems that people running out of coffee just pisses them off. Supposedly whatever coffee they're getting is the very bottom tier of what's produced. When you experiment, do you use a y of the coffee rating guides?
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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My coffee roaster in Brooklyn is Nicoletti. They even have a web store, but if possible do visit them in person. The owner is a bit (ok a lot) eccentric geezer, but he's very nice and will brew nice strong cup of espresso (free of charge) if you buy his coffee.
 
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Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
My coffee roaster in Brooklyn is Nicoletti. They even have a web store, but if possible do visit them in person. The owner is a bit (ok a lot) eccentric geezer, but he's very nice and will brew nice strong cup of espresso (free of charge) if you buy his coffee.
Up on 13th ave. Used to be some nice Italian bakeries in the lower numbers. Scottos made just killer Italian breads. Will check it out next time I'm down there.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I hear that things are so bad that in Venezuela which used to export coffe, the gov't is now importing it using oil to pay for it. Seems that people running out of coffee just pisses them off. Supposedly whatever coffee they're getting is the very bottom tier of what's produced. When you experiment, do you use a y of the coffee rating guides?
Since I started learning about various places that produce coffee, I've never heard anything about Venezuelan coffee. What rating guides are you talking about?

Most of what I've learned about different coffees has come from reading info on the website where I buy green coffee, Sweet Maria's. SM's owner writes a LOT! He probably drinks a lot of coffee ;), and he could use an editor. At first I found it all too much to understand. With time and experience tasting various coffees I bought, I began to understand what he meant. And I came to believe that most of what he says jives with what I've experienced myself. So I trust his opinions and his tastes.

There is a list, https://www.sweetmarias.com/store/coffee-list.html?limit=all, of what is now available. It changes as new items are added. I read his taste descriptions closely before I order something.

I've read one book on coffee, Home Coffee Roasting: Romance and Revival by Kenneth Davids. It had a section on different coffee growing regions.

Before I get into the different coffee producing regions of the world, I have to mention coffee bean processing. There are two very different ways of producing green coffee beans from the fruit of the coffee tree, known as Wet and Dry processing. Wet processing seems to be the most common. It best preserves the exotic and sometimes fruit-like flavors of good coffee. I know I strongly prefer it to Dry process, which to me, tastes earthy, as if someone put a spoon full of dirt in my coffee. Coffee from Indonesia (Java & Sumatra) are nearly all dry processed. Brazil and Ethiopia seem to do both. Most other regions of the world do wet processed.

South American countries, Colombia, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia produce some good coffee. Brazil is the largest, and much, but not all, of what it grows becomes the cheaper grades used in mass produced grocery store coffee. In the past, Colombia became well known for it's better quality (than Brazil's) coffee. For the most part, it was the result of a government campaign to standardize and market Colombian coffee as a uniform product. Most of what it grew was graded and blended so it could be consistent on a large scale. Apparently, that level of organization is changing now. In the USA, there is a new emphasis on coffee from smaller individual plantations, roasted and sold by smaller local craft-roasters. Large industrial-scale coffee is falling out of fashion, in the same way that small craft-brewed beer has grown at the expense of large industrial beer brewing. As a result, some really excellent Colombian coffee is beginning to become available.

Central America has, in my opinion, the best coffee available, especially in Guatemala (look for the Huehuetenango and Antigua regions). Costa Rica comes next (especially the Tarrazu region). It also has followed the Colombian method of blending for consistent tasting product and mass marketing in the US. And like Colombia, this now seems to be changing. Panama, El Salvador, and southern Mexico also, on occasion, produce some good coffee. The Nicaraguan coffee I've tried was disappointing.

East Africa, has the excellent Ethiopian and Kenyan coffees. Coffee from Ethiopia (said to be where coffee originated) has by far the widest and most complex varieties of different tasting coffee. I've learned not to generalize about Ethiopian. Kenyan coffee (highly prized in the UK which often bids up the price) has some unique flavors often described as red wine-like, grape-like, or citrus-like. I love it, but have found that I like it better if I don't have it all the time. Other East African countries, Ruanda, Burundi, Uganda, and Tanzania, produce coffee considered as less expensive versions of Kenyan coffee. Some I've had are not bad. Zimbabwe (not Mozambique) used to produce excellent coffee, but it's government drove the remaining white plantation owners away, and exports of coffee from that country disappeared years ago.

Edit: I meant to say Zimbabwe not Mozambique.

Yemen apparently has produced good coffee, but recent events have made coffee from there unavailable.

South Asian coffee remains. That includes Indonesia (Java & Sumatra), India, Vietnam (vile tasting robusta coffee), and some other Pacific islands like New Guinea. I have very little experience with them. Apparently, dry processed Indonesian coffee is best if it is roasted darker. It is often blended into dark roasts that have become a wide-spread fashion in this country. It's taste is described as earthy, leathery, tobacco-like or even pine-like. It ain't for me, but people who like Indonesian coffee seem to crave something called "body" in coffee. It's not a flavor, but a buttery smooth mouth-feel quality. The opposite of "body" would be "thin or watery". To my surprise, Indonesian coffee can be wonderful if blended with the more delicate Central Americans into something called Mocha-Java. These blends vary widely, but if done right, they mix the best of both types of coffee, high flavor and high body.
 
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psbfan9

psbfan9

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If anyone reading all this is in the Washington, DC area. I have stumbled on a very good local roaster http://swingscoffee.com/. They sell in local stores and online.

I've really like their High Mountain Blend, and their 1013 Reserve Blend.
Swings has a public cupping schedule. I'M IN!! Wait. Is this cupping like, "Who measures pants like that" cupping?

http://swingscoffee.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/public-cupping-doc-041515.pdf

Ordered a Bonavita and after 9 days of not being shipped I cancelled the order. I may try to order it again.

I've had Organic Sumatra coffee from this guy and thought it was pretty good. My local roaster

http://zencafecoffee.com/html/roasting/index.php
 
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Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
Swings has a public cupping schedule. I'M IN!! Wait. Is this cupping like, "Who measures pants like that" cupping?

http://swingscoffee.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/public-cupping-doc-041515.pdf

Ordered a Bonavita and after 9 days of not being shipped I cancelled the order. I may try to order it again.

I've had Organic Sumatra coffee from this guy and thought it was pretty good. My local roaster

http://zencafecoffee.com/html/roasting/index.php
Try coffeereview.com and gocoffeego.com for ratings.

There's no shortage roasters. For example of you go to coffeeratings.com you'll find hundreds of reviews just for San Francisco for espresso. No doubt there are many more there and around the country. I see that as both good and bad. Good because it's nice to have choices. But also bad for a number of reasons. By way of analogy, Richard Pierce once said something like, "Any idiot can design a speaker and unfortunately many do." So, I see roasters in that same vein. Some have never apprenticed and are self taught. They use fancy words but may well not be sourcing the better beans. Even you, as well as I have found there's a penchant for roasting a bit too aggressively. Maybe it's a personal preference, Swerd, or maybe the public is being conditioned to like things that really shouldn't deserve their approval. Like Beats. I still think its worth exploring off the map places because you never know. Just as roasting is an art, so is making coffee at home. I've found that there is no universal optimum. Fix the water amount as well as temperature and play with the weight of the coffee. I usually start with 1000g of water and 50g of coarse grind coffee for the Frnch press. I live with the fine sediment at least for now.

Thanks for the talk and your insights. Much appreciated.
 
Swerd

Swerd

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Try coffeereview.com and gocoffeego.com for ratings.

Thanks for the talk and your insights. Much appreciated.
I'll look at those reviews and ratings.

I agree, hundreds of reviews can be both good and bad. The trouble is not the amount of info, but the signal-to-noise ratio :D.

There seems to be a wide range of preferences, and reviews are good at letting me know what other people prefer. I know only one way to learn my own preferences, keep trying different things. It's good that coffee is cheaper than speakers.

I enjoy making and drinking good coffee and I enjoy sharing what I've learned about it.
 
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Swerd

Swerd

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coffeereview.com has 'Tasting Articles' written by Kenneth Davids. I'll pay attention to him, I read his book and liked his knowledge & opinions.

All those reviews do seem like a whole lot of information. I guess it isn't bad to read & learn, but I'd rather stick to locally available roasters and try what they have. Freshness really counts. Or better yet, roast my own :).
 
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