CEDIA 2014 Dolby Atmos and Auro 3D Demo Experiences

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This thread is reserved for those fortunate folks attending CEDIA this year that wish to share their Dolby Atmos and Auro 3D Demo experiences. Please post images, list of products demoed, source material demoed and your experiences in this thread. Thanks all!
 

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Yamaha and Definiitive Technology Atmos Demo Results

Steve and Cliff reported back to me on their demo experiences at Yamaha and Definitive Technology.

Yamaha
Yamaha had a small demo room with floorstanding speakers up front and side channels. They had 4 in-ceiling speakers (two front and two rear).

Cliff felt that the in-ceiling speakers were precise but too localizable since they were turned up for wow factor. Steve actually liked this effect and preferred it over the Atmos reflective speakers from Def Tech.

Definitive Technology

Def Tech had towers with Atmos A60 modules for front and back channels with dipole side surround speakers slightly elevated above ear level.

Cliff liked the initial Dolby demo material that was played at first. He found the Def Tech Atmos speaker modules did provide an elevated effect though it was mostly high frequency effects. He liked the ambiance effect he was hearing in the Atmos demo material. However, when they played a Star Trek demo he didn't discern any audible benefits from Atmos.

Steve felt the Atmos speakers didn't provide much effect and he preferred the precise localization he heard with in-ceiling speakers from the Yamaha demo. He also felt most of the height sound he was hearing was coming from the side mounted surround channels, NOT from the 4 Atmos enabled modules.
 

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I know GoldenEar has a setup w/ Triton 1s & T3s as surrounds, invisa MPX and Dolby Atmos on the Integra unit. I hope you get a chance to stop by and give feedback.
 
Steve81

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Just got back from the convention center a few minutes ago, so I'll chime in with my thoughts before I head for dinner. Suffice it to say that Cliff and I got several Atmos demos in today. In order, I listened to presentations from Yamaha, Def Tech, Onkyo, D&M, and Pioneer.

Yamaha had a 5.2.4 setup using their NS777 speakers for front and rear L/R, the NS333 center, and NSIC800 in ceiling speakers in a semi-enclosed space (ceiling, 3 walls). Unfortunately, this demo was early in the morning, with a lot of background noise (foot traffic, mfrs still putting up their booths, etc.). Between that and the demo material, it was difficult to get a feel for what Atmos could really accomplish. However, there was one scene which stuck with me, namely a projector coming to life in a movie theater. Simply put, it was exactly where you would expect to hear such a sound come from, not just directly behind you, but above you as well. A neat trick, but I wasn't exactly sold.

Demo 2 was with Def Tech, using their A60 Atmos-enabled speakers on top of front and rear pairs of BP8060 towers. Amplification & processing was provided by an Onkyo TX-NR3030, and the demo took place in a fully enclosed, somewhat insulated space. To be frank, I didn't feel the A60's accomplished any height effects at all. What "height" I did hear was mostly localizable to the side surrounds which were placed a couple feet above ear level. If time allows tomorrow (unfortunately it probably won't), I might try to squeeze in another demo.

Moving on to Onkyo's demo, this was another Def Tech / Onkyo mashup with the TX-NR3030 and a Mythos 5.1 setup plus in ceiling speakers. Of note, I did this demo during lunch time, so the floor was a bit quieter than usual. This time, there was a specific track played (a thunderstorm) to highlight the difference between 5.1 and Atmos, which switched back and forth for easy comparison. The differences are plainly night and day when you compare like that. Other dedicated demo content was pretty convincing as well (Dolby's Leaf and Unfolding Demo). Actual movie content was a little more subtle about the improvements Atmos makes (a clip from Oblivion of Tom Cruise being chased by evil robots), but I did note a few Atmos-related improvements, a stroke of lightning coming from above for example.

My experiences with D&M were pretty similar. They were running their new AV7702 pre/pro, Snell L/C/Rs as well as side and rear surrounds, and Boston Acoustics in ceiling speakers in a fully enclosed and insulated demo space. Between this and the Onkyo demo, I'm pretty well sold on Atmos being a pretty big step forward in overall capability.

My last stop of the day was with Pioneer (Cliff had to leave early for another engagement). I spoke with Andrew Jones for a while who is a gentleman and a scholar, as well as a couple of the other nice folks from Pioneer including Chris Walker. As you'd expect, the demo included all Pioneer Elite equipment including their new line of Elite speakers which are Atmos-enabled. This time, I actually doubled down on the demo experience. The first time around, I was located to the right rear of the room, so effects naturally pulled toward the right rear speaker. The second time around, I got to sit smack dab in the center of the action (and a big thanks to the guys at Pioneer for accommodating me). So did they impress me? Absolutely. The storm demo which switched between Atmos and 5.1 was played again, and clearly demonstrated that Atmos-enabled speakers can pull off a convincing height illusion. Dolby's Leaf Demo was similarly impressive, and Pioneer also showed off a bit of music with an Atmos track from Enrique Iglesias (Bailando).

So which do I think sounds better, Atmos-enabled speakers or in-ceiling speakers? Based on what I've heard thus far I'd put the edge towards in-ceiling speakers. However, I have to give credit where it's due. Atmos-enabled speakers like Pioneer's Elite line make that gap awfully thin, and IMHO they do represent a very viable alternative.
 
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I did Pioneer, Onkyo, and Dolby. All of the demos used the same program material with slightly different presentations.
First 2 were 5.2.4, and Dolby was 7.2.4. The Onkyo was open backed and show floor noise was an issue.
I didn't hear much of a difference between 5.2 and Atmos on in the Pioneer demo tbh.
Overheads were weak and overall, the speakers were unremarkable. Couldn't tell the ceiling tile/ panel makeup in that room but it appeared to be somewhat absorptive and could be the reason for the lessened effect.
Definitely preferred the Onkyo and Dolby with ceiling speakers over the Pioneers.
Will try a couple of the others tomorrow.
Cheers, Mac
PS I like the Atmos thing but definitely prefer the ceiling speaker setup over the bounced signal so far.
 
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Guys one thing that has me curious. When the demos were comparing regular 5.1 to Atmos, were they just Dolby demo clips or clips from an actual Atmos movie? I'm curious to actually get full Atmos movie on blu-ray (which sadly only Transformers 4 is available right now) and directly switch from 5.1 TrueHD to Atmos and see how that compares to Dolby demo clips.
 
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Guys one thing that has me curious. When the demos were comparing regular 5.1 to Atmos, were they just Dolby demo clips or clips from an actual Atmos movie? I'm curious to actually get full Atmos movie on blu-ray (which sadly only Transformers 4 is available right now) and directly switch from 5.1 TrueHD to Atmos and see how that compares to Dolby demo clips.
Just the Dolby demo clips. I actually asked the guy at the Onkyo booth if they could switch during regular content, but that was a negative.
 
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Just the Dolby demo clips. I actually asked the guy at the Onkyo booth if they could switch during regular content, but that was a negative.
Yes that's what concerns me. I want to hear a production Blu-ray with regular Dolby TrueHD 5.1 or 7.1 and directly compare to Atmos layer. I guess we will have to wait till we get gear and demo material in our listening labs to make that determination.

Glad to hear your good findings with Pioneer speakers. I'm a big fan of AJ's work.
 
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They are running some "regular" Atmos movie content as well. The demo disc everyone is using has a clip from Oblivion, Star Trek Into Darkness, and Transformers. I haven't heard the Transformers demo yet, but there are some pretty clear differences between an Atmos presentation for Oblivion and Star Trek versus what you could accomplish with a conventional 5.1 / 7.1 layout. Of course Dolby's demos are very up front in terms of highlighting those differences, whereas in the movies aren't going out of their way to sell the effect just for the sake of doing so.
 
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...there are some pretty clear differences between an Atmos presentation for Oblivion and Star Trek versus what you could accomplish with a conventional 5.1 / 7.1 layout...
Volume level matched? :D
 
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If they were on the exact same gear how would one level match??? :D
By adjusting the volume level.

Section 1 of the demo: ATMOS has a peak SPL of 95dB, average SPL of 85dB. TrueHD has a peak SPL of 92dB, average SPL of 82dB. You would level match by turning up the volume by 3dB when playing the TrueHD track. Crude and too simple, but I would think better than nothing.
 
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By adjusting the volume level.

Section 1 of the demo: ATMOS has a peak SPL of 95dB, average SPL of 85dB. TrueHD has a peak SPL of 92dB, average SPL of 82dB. You would level match by turning up the volume by 3dB when playing the TrueHD track. Crude and too simple, but I would think better than nothing.
Do you turn down the volume on your equipment 4db when comparing dtsma to dolby thd? Its an over all normalization . If the users liked the experience it's all good. I'm sure the CI crowd and their customers with dedicated rooms will enjoy it. Level matching has its place but when comparing audio tracks on the same gear?
 
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Do you turn down the volume on your equipment 4db when comparing dtsma to dolby thd? Its an over all normalization . If the users liked the experience it's all good. I'm sure the CI crowd and their customers with dedicated rooms will enjoy it. Level matching has its place but when comparing audio tracks on the same gear?
Level matching is important when comparing speakers or different surround codecs. If for some reason Atmos tracks were played louder than their True HD 5.1 counterparts that could skew the results. I'm not saying that happened but its something to be aware of. I look forward to reading the full Demo report from Cliff and Steve when they return from CEDIA.
 
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Level matching is important when comparing speakers or different surround codecs. If for some reason Atmos tracks were played louder than their True HD 5.1 counterparts that could skew the results. I'm not saying that happened but its something to be aware of. I look forward to reading the full Demo report from Cliff and Steve when they return from CEDIA.
Not sure how to level match a soundtrack on the same gear, just using the volume control seems like it would not work for the entire stream itself. Can you explain how this would be achieved?
 
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Not sure how to level match a soundtrack on the same gear, just using the volume control seems like it would not work for the entire stream itself. Can you explain how this would be achieved?
Honestly this is very tricky if you don't have test gear to measure the outputs on hand. When I get an Atmos disc I will see if I can compare TrueHD vs Atmos layer via my AP to see what the output levels are via HDMI from the blu-ray player.
 
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By adjusting the volume level.

Section 1 of the demo: ATMOS has a peak SPL of 95dB, average SPL of 85dB. TrueHD has a peak SPL of 92dB, average SPL of 82dB. You would level match by turning up the volume by 3dB when playing the TrueHD track. Crude and too simple, but I would think better than nothing.
So most have no ability to level match a soundtrack. I'd hope that those that are not in favor of the codec wouldn't work so hard at beating it up. I'm eagerly waiting Genes observations with matching. However I'm still doubtful that a sound track can be effectively level matched especially with normalization as its too broad. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
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Audioholics 2014 Cedia Coverage Page

Guys;

Here is our official 2014 Cedia coverage page:

CEDIA 2014 Expo Show Coverage Page | Audioholics

We are still in the process of adding more coverage, and demo experience and an incredible interview with the President of Auro-3D. What a demo they gave!
 
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Dolby Atmos and Auro-3D Demo Report

Audioholics made the trip out Denver for the 2014 CEDIA Expo. For those that haven't been following A/V news, the big reveal in Denver was Dolby Atmos making its way to the home market, along with the competing Auro-3D format. Suffice it to say, we took in a demo or two to see what these new formats could offer home theater buffs. In addition, this was our first opportunity to hear Dolby's Elevation speakers.

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