So what is going on in Missouri

itschris

itschris

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I think he meant maybe Brown was on PCP which is why he didn't go down. He was shot in the arm I think 4 times with the last 2 in the on the upper part of his head by his forehead. Curiously, the family and their attorney immediately stated that Dr. Baden's autopsy then clearly proved he was trying to surrender...??? Not sure how they came to that conclusion and Dr. Baden was very quick to state that he did not come to that conclusion.

Seemingly though, if he was running towards the officer... like once candid witness was caught saying on tape... that might actually make more sense because you'd be leaning foward or your head would be angled down at least somewhat. Just armchair forensics on my part, but that sure seems to make more sense then the claim that he was just standing there with his arms raised... I can't see how he'd get hit with a bullet atop his head in that scenario or any of it "proves" his surrender.

I don't blame the parents. They're in despair and no one parent wants to admit their child is a bad person who does bad things. I'm certain it's heartbreaking. I understand where they're coming from. Everyone else however should just go hom and rething how they live their live and what they contribute to this world.
 
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MidnightSensi2

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Natural adrenaline alone can keep someone coming at you. Epinephrine masks pain, it's part of our survival system. Also when its released the logic part of our brain literally shuts down. When this happens they often call people 'limbic' (operating on the primative, limbic part of the brain). When someone gets super angry or scared, they're operating on this. No drugs required! Doesn't matter if your a cop, criminal or victim. Actually some argue police get addicted to adrenaline and that's an explanation for some of their aggressive ways. Every time they pull someone over, they get a little rush that triggers the reward centers in their brain. Then they need more, so some might try to instigate situations, etc. We've all met the cop that was jacked up on adrenaline, right? The sweaty guy yelling at you over something that seems like not that big of a deal?

The reason I bring this stuff up is that it's really easy to look back and say 'damn, I didn't need the last 3 shots' ..but, at the time, humans aren't as exact in those situations. It's literally FIGHT or DIE. That's what our body tells us.

Sadly, a lot of the people at those riots, probably aren't educated and don't know about that. They're playing with fire. And, it's NOT because they're police. It's because they're HUMAN (and armed heh).
 
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herbu

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Today, for the first time, I heard the other side of the story. A relative of the cop reported what the cop allegedly told her happened. She said something like the guy pushed the cop back into his car, jumped in the car on top of him and they fought. The cop managed to draw his weapon and they fought over the gun. During the struggle the cop managed to shoot the guy. Then the guy got out, the cop got out, and the guy challenged the cop saying something like, "What are you gonna do now? You can't shoot me. You can't do nothing." Then the guy charged the cop again. The cop shot and the guy kept coming. The cop shot until the guy went down.

So far, it is still speculation. The investigation will reveal the truth. But it was interesting to finally hear at least one version of the other side of the story.

Wasn't this a very big guy? I'm hearing something like 6'4" 290 pounds. Every self defense class I've taken says to apply force until the threat stops. If your force is a gun, you shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. Maybe not to everyone here, but to me a 6'4" 290lb guy charging me, even w/ 4 shots in his arm, is still a threat. I would shoot until he hit the ground. So the scenario sounds plausible. We'll see what are determined to be the facts.
 
itschris

itschris

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i'd pretty much bet my life that it's very close to that description and NOT that he was just standing their obediently following directions. That pretty much follows what the one person was telling the other in the background of the video that some other guys was taking... likely candid only because he didn't know he was being picked up by the guys video taping.
 
itschris

itschris

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... and whether or not whatever happened rose to the level of being shot... i don't know... but I sort of don't care. He's a bad guy. Look at what he did in that store. He wasn't stealing water to drink, food to eat, formula for his babies... he stole cigars in a brazen and violent way. I'm certain that wasn't the first time he victimized someone nor would it have been the last... then again... maybe that cop was last.

Either way... I just think when you're a criminal by choice like that you no longer deserve the same rights as me. You become something less than me and others like me who don't break the law and choose not to hurt and victimize those around me. You're garbage and I'm simply unmoved by whatever comes their way.
 
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Nestor

Senior Audioholic
Just saw this:
BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack | The Gateway Pundit

Yep... he was just a sweet gentle giant just minding his own business. When I was 20, I got mugged and hit in the face with a pipe which fractured my orbital cup. Let me tell you, that's not an easy thing to do and takes a significant amount of force. It doesn't happen by mistaken contact.
The door bounced back and hit the officer in the head. Hardly an attack.

Btw, nice juxtaposition of the article to the unrelated alleged convenience store robbery.


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MidnightSensi2

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Btw, nice juxtaposition of the article to the unrelated alleged convenience store robbery.
Alleged? We have multiple views on tape heh.

Unrelated? Part of the danger police have of pulling someone over is "Did this person just commit a crime?" So, the fact that he just committed strong arm robbery, is related. heh.

Trayvon Martin was a sweet boy scout just minding his own business, and Michael Brown was a smart, college bound, boy. Although, I think his chances of getting into college with strong arm robbery might have been slightly lower..

Again, this has nothing to do with my gripes about the militarization of police forces, racism of the justice system, etc.
 
Swerd

Swerd

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I’ve known only one person who had been a policeman. Once, I asked him why he quit after about 10 years on the force. I think his reason is related to the Ferguson controversy.

He told me how for his first 8 or 9 years, he worked the night shifts in the town's worst precincts. His early training and experience made it clear that, late at night, there are much fewer people out on the streets in general, and most of them are up to no good. After enough years on the night shift, his attitude became "standard blue" as he called it, that everyone he ran into, day or night, was probably a "perp".

After nearly a decade of night shift, he became eligible for working days. He eventually learned that policemen in his town were deliberately kept working nights until they developed that "standard blue" mentality. As their careers developed, all the police had acquired the notion that non-police were to be considered "perps". This attitude was considered essential so other policemen could count on you in case of trouble, and it was also essential if you wanted to be promoted. After about 10 years, this friend began to doubt this way of thinking, and resigned.

I've never had a bad experience with police, but I've always remembered that story whenever I see a police car. I also think this "us against them" mentality may help explain some of what we're seeing in Ferguson. It doesn't explain everything, but it is part of the story.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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......... I also think this "us against them" mentality may help explain some of what we're seeing in Ferguson. It doesn't explain everything, but it is part of the story.
I'm hard pressed to find an area of human nature that doesn't have that "Us vs Them" aspect.
 
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MidnightSensi2

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I’ve known only one person who had been a policeman. Once, I asked him why he quit after about 10 years on the force. I think his reason is related to the Ferguson controversy.

He told me how for his first 8 or 9 years, he worked the night shifts in the town's worst precincts. His early training and experience made it clear that, late at night, there are much fewer people out on the streets in general, and most of them are up to no good. After enough years on the night shift, his attitude became "standard blue" as he called it, that everyone he ran into, day or night, was probably a "perp".

After nearly a decade of night shift, he became eligible for working days. He eventually learned that policemen in his town were deliberately kept working nights until they developed that "standard blue" mentality. As their careers developed, all the police had acquired the notion that non-police were to be considered "perps". This attitude was considered essential so other policemen could count on you in case of trouble, and it was also essential if you wanted to be promoted. After about 10 years, this friend began to doubt this way of thinking, and resigned.

I've never had a bad experience with police, but I've always remembered that story whenever I see a police car. I also think this "us against them" mentality may help explain some of what we're seeing in Ferguson. It doesn't explain everything, but it is part of the story.
That's very interesting. It sort of makes sense too. Both why the police would get that mentality, and why it might bother some officers more than others.

It's true, after dark, in a bad neighborhood, those outside tend to be up to no good. There are exceptions, certainly, but.. I grew up in a bad neighborhood and you learn not to be dumb. You stay away from gang areas, even take the long way, and therefore the people in gang areas late at night, tend to be ... up to no good. The peaceful people in the area, try to remain inside unless they /have/ to go (work, school thing, etc.).. but, you can tell if someone is going to school or work heh.
 
itschris

itschris

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Where is that info coming from? The same people who said he was just standing there with his hands up? I've had my orbital cup broken... a bump from car door won't do it... unless of course it was grabbed by a very large strong person and deliberately slammed into their face. That i might believe.

I'm so concerned that people are so quick to jump to the defence of a criminal... someone who clearly likes to intimidate and harm poeple. Why? Why do people mourn the loss of this guy... (and let's all stop calling him a kid since he's not) He's a piece of sh*t and I'm glad he's gone. One less person to reap fear and victimize people. I bet that store owner sh*t himself when he grabbed him like that. What did he do deserve that? "Oh big deal... so he stole some cigars and roughed somebody up." I wonder if it was your sister or your mom if you'd feel the same way. I wonder if some guy got shot an hour after sucker punching your grandma playing the knockout game if you'd be be upset about it or be relieved? I breath a sigh of relief everytime a Trayvon, a Brown or any other piece of trash human being black, white, brown, yellow... goes down. People who spend their lives taking and intimidating, hurting and victimizing people are all garbage. Why mourn them. it's not a loss.

The door bounced back and hit the officer in the head. Hardly an attack.

Btw, nice juxtaposition of the article to the unrelated alleged convenience store robbery.


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Nestor

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Where is that info coming from? The same people who said he was just standing there with his hands up? I've had my orbital cup broken... a bump from car door won't do it... unless of course it was grabbed by a very large strong person and deliberately slammed into their face. That i might believe.

I'm so concerned that people are so quick to jump to the defence of a criminal... someone who clearly likes to intimidate and harm poeple. Why? Why do people mourn the loss of this guy... (and let's all stop calling him a kid since he's not) He's a piece of sh*t and I'm glad he's gone. One less person to reap fear and victimize people. I bet that store owner sh*t himself when he grabbed him like that. What did he do deserve that? "Oh big deal... so he stole some cigars and roughed somebody up." I wonder if it was your sister or your mom if you'd feel the same way. I wonder if some guy got shot an hour after sucker punching your grandma playing the knockout game if you'd be be upset about it or be relieved? I breath a sigh of relief everytime a Trayvon, a Brown or any other piece of trash human being black, white, brown, yellow... goes down. People who spend their lives taking and intimidating, hurting and victimizing people are all garbage. Why mourn them. it's not a loss.
What's Mike Brown's side of the story?
 
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MidnightSensi2

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Not saying throwing a blood gang sign or wearing red items makes someone a Blood, but.. had to add these. lol.
 

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