Replacement windows

Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I’m in the mood to write something meaningless, just for some attention. That’s what the Really Boring Stuff thread is for, but I’m the kind that needs a tangible subject to talk about. Once I do that, I can wander off onto meaningless stuff.

Anyone ever get replacement windows? I did about 2 months ago, and I thought I’d pass on my experience. My house is nearly 21 years old, and it has lots of large windows – 28 double hung windows and 3 smaller casement windows. The original windows were typical builders’ grade (cheap) made by a company named MW. They were all double-glazed wood windows. The two layers of glass were about ¼” apart and were otherwise uninsulated. Low E glass existed back then, but it was an expensive option that I chose to ignore. I was aware that the builder had a warehouse full of existing stuff, including windows, and if I ordered something different, it would significantly delay moving in. So I got the standard windows, figuring I’d deal with them down the road.

I spent most of those past years regretting that. After about a year, many of the windows leaked something fierce. Weather stripping made little difference. After last winter’s extremely cold weather I decided it was time to pony up and replace the windows.

I got three different estimates. One was as high as $45,000 :eek: and the other two were about $16,000. The high-bid company (I really don’t remember the name, but they were based in Pennsylvania) accompanied their estimate with a high-pressure sales pitch. They even had the nerve to try to come back after their first visit. I was too nice on the first visit, but not the next time. I believe I told them to be fruitful and multiply – but not in those exact words.

I eventually decided to work with a local DC-Maryland-Virginia area window-door-siding installer who had very good local references: NOVA Installations http://novainstallations.com/. The guy (Art Dunn) who came to my house for the estimate was the owner. He was a pleasure to deal with, had useful and money saving suggestions, and the actual installation was done quickly and without any trouble. So I have only praise for NOVA Installations.

I wasted a lot of time trying to decide on a brand of window. The online replacement window discussions I found were pretty useless in my opinion. There were people who either heaped praise or *****ed and moaned regardless of the window maker or who installed them. Eventually, once I decided I trusted Art Dunn, I simply asked him what he recommended. I got windows made by Ideal Vinyl Replacement Windows New Jersey NJ. Typical of window companies, they sell a wide variety of models at a wide variety of prices. I went with their UltraTite line to get as far away as possible from the cheap builders’ grade windows.

The windows are foam insulated vinyl. They operate smoothly and fit nice and snugly. The double glass panes are ¾” apart and have the Low E glass thermal insulation. In the last two months, I’ve noticed how quiet the house is when the windows are closed, and how I use less AC than last summer.

The Low E glass in the new windows makes a bigger difference than I expected. On a wall that faces west, I have two new windows next to a glass door that goes outside to the deck. The door is original and has double-glazed glass ¼” apart but lacks Low E glass. When the sun shines directly into them, the glass on the door is warm to the touch, but the windows next to the door are room temperature.

It’s only been two months, and the real test will be how well the windows age. Anyone else with window experience?

Ideal Window is in New Jersey. Speaking of New Jersey, markw and I often see eye to eye on many subjects, but recently we snapped at each other over politics. I’d rather not continue that. All is forgiven markw. I may not always agree with you, but I’ll defend to my death your right to believe what you choose (no matter how misguided ;)). Buy you a beer?
 
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Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Btw, congrats on the new windows, and thanks for sharing your info! I haven't given it too much serious thought, but I've contemplated newer windows just to help cut down on outside noise.
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

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My ex's home in central PA has antique windows that leak like a colander. Can you please PM me the PA firms details.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
So I clicked on the Ultratite link really thinking deeply about what all that phrase might mean if you know what I mean and then a pic of this chick is there.



I like that level of confidence when it comes to ... windows, right? :D
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
My ex's home in central PA has antique windows that leak like a colander. Can you please PM me the PA firms details.
It took me several re-readings of your post before I finally got it's meaning :eek:.

I'm would if I could, but I really tore up that price quote soon after I got it.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
So I clicked on the Ultratite link really thinking deeply about what all that phrase might mean if you know what I mean and then a pic of this chick is there.



I like that level of confidence when it comes to ... windows, right? :D
I can always count on you to come through.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I can always count on you to come through.
I have to wonder if there's something subliminal in the name of that product line. Ultra ... tite.

You know ... I think I need some windows too. I have casement windows as it turns out. They don't leak but the wood on the bottom is starting to rot. In ManTown I put some effort into painting the window but after a couple of years, it's peeling and flaking on the bottom rail. It's a shadow of what lies ahead and by ahead I'm thinking a matter of years.

Speaking of rails, I picked up a couple of solid Walnut cabinets that have a similar form factor as bathroom medicine cabinets. I wanted to reverse the swing on a door by flipping it but saw that the bottom rail is fatter than the top. These things are low grade antiques in that the trim was nailed on but the doors have mortise and tenon rails and stiles with raised panels. An antique shop offered a lady $45 for the two cabinets. They're rough as f^%& and dirtier than Adam and his Australian but they are my first foray into Walnut. The raised panel mortise and tenon doors put the cabinets past the level of the depression era furniture that I've had the pleasure of using so far. Once the a/c got squared away in the truck I needed something to hone in on and I can tell you for free it ain't windows. Those are expensive and labor intensive. A $45 Walnut diversion is much more to my liking. I'm almost afraid to say it but that is some good looking wood. Hard too. :D
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
They're...dirtier than Adam and his Australian...
I kind of feel like that wording puts me on the pitcher's mound. I have a whole new level of respect for myself now.

Well, I will once I get this darn bridle off...
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I have to wonder if there's something subliminal in the name of that product line. Ultra ... tite.
Not anymore.

You know ... I think I need some windows too. I have casement windows as it turns out. They don't leak but the wood on the bottom is starting to rot. In ManTown I put some effort into painting the window but after a couple of years, it's peeling and flaking on the bottom rail. It's a shadow of what lies ahead and by ahead I'm thinking a matter of years.
I had some window sills that developed terminal rot unusually early. Painting and repainting never helped. The builder was so cheap that exterior wood trim was never primed. It was spray painted three coats of heavily diluted paint, but never primed. They got away with it on the "wood" siding because it was really Masonite, but several of the window sills had to be replaced. Instead of wood, I used a weather proof plastic board, but I can't remember what its called.

Speaking of rails, I picked up a couple of solid Walnut cabinets that have a similar form factor as bathroom medicine cabinets. I wanted to reverse the swing on a door by flipping it but saw that the bottom rail is fatter than the top. These things are low grade antiques in that the trim was nailed on but the doors have mortise and tenon rails and stiles with raised panels. An antique shop offered a lady $45 for the two cabinets. They're rough as f^%& and dirtier than Adam and his Australian but they are my first foray into Walnut. The raised panel mortise and tenon doors put the cabinets past the level of the depression era furniture that I've had the pleasure of using so far. Once the a/c got squared away in the truck I needed something to hone in on and I can tell you for free it ain't windows. Those are expensive and labor intensive. A $45 Walnut diversion is much more to my liking. I'm almost afraid to say it but that is some good looking wood. Hard too. :D
Walnut sawdust smells good – unlike MDF. I don't know if old walnut does that.

Are the cabinets stained dark? I think walnut looks good with a clear finish, but most walnut I see is stained way too dark.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Walnut sawdust smells good – unlike MDF. I don't know if old walnut does that.

Are the cabinets stained dark? I think walnut looks good with a clear finish, but most walnut I see is stained way too dark.
I was seeing quite a bit of grain with a mineral spirits wipe so I don't think these were stained. However the base of one cabinet came off and it did seem to have something on it. I'm not sure what though. I thought it was odd that the wood appeared grey after it dried from the mineral spirits wipe. You'd want to be careful of any wood dust. I know that the roots from a Walnut tree put out some toxin that keeps a wide variety of plants from growing around them.

Your sills are probably Azek. Sort of an interesting read until you get to all the lawyers. No wonder that stuff is so expensive. It's feeding lawyers.
 
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