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x0tiq

Audiophyte
torn between two amp
yamaha RX-V675 and denon x2000

I've heard demo from denon x2000 and really impressed with the surround sound when they're showing GI joe and
Mr and Mrs Smith demo.
But the yamaha, I've yet to listen to it. Only listen to you tube.
While listening to denon demo, I realized that Denon ( edited ) are more on the high frequency. Is that true?

Currently I'm using RX-V465. My 5.1 speakers are on its way next week.
If they sounded nice, I won't be upgrading to another yamaha or denon
 
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TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
These two brands are arguably the pinnacle of receiver design, currently. The biggest factor in deciding is going to be emotional. Are you a Yamaha guy, or a Denon guy?
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
Both are great. The differences in sound will have more to do with the settings than the brands.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
They are both nice receivers - however, the Denon is more efficient in the surround mode.
The Yamaha from 10XX up, is where the (Yamahas) tend to have good power handling in
the surround mode.

Your call
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
Another reason to go with the Denon is that it has Audyssey verses YPAO room correction.
 
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x0tiq

Audiophyte
@ TheWarrior - All my previous amps are all Yamaha. And only one Kenwood KR-V9080 ( my very first amp )
This will be my first Denon if I were to bought it.
 
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x0tiq

Audiophyte
Hi all... BA A250 arrived yesterday. Together with its sub.
Listened stereo is impressive. No hiccups from amp.
But when I turn on the surround sound, my amp turned off by itself. No matter what surround sound I changed, it turned off. But if I really turn the volume down, it doesn't.
I mean really down.
For amp, I'm using RX-V465..
I'm wondering if this amp has not enough juice.

Really need help here ... Thks
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Another reason to go with the Denon is that it has Audyssey verses YPAO room correction.
However, there has been no controlled tests to determine which is better. Only subjective opinions have been tossed around in that area. I would not let RC dictate to me which AVR to get.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Note the measurements of the higher-up Yamaha 775 - notice the drop in surround mode
Yamaha RX-V775WA AV Receiver Test Bench | Sound & Vision
ACD test used in surround mode is not a very good indicator of an AVR's power delivery. All ACD tests measure is the senstivity of the AVR's protection circuits, nothing more. Yamaha has been recognized by both Audioholics and Home Theater Magazine for having overly sensitive protection circuits.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
But when I turn on the surround sound, my amp turned off by itself. No matter what surround sound I changed, it turned off. But if I really turn the volume down, it doesn't.
I mean really down.
For amp, I'm using RX-V465..
I'm wondering if this amp has not enough juice.

Really need help here ... Thks
Did you read the links in post #7

Also on a side note - double check the wire hook-ups (for surround), and make sure
that there are no stray wires that may cause some type of short.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
ACD test used in surround mode is not a very good indicator of an AVR's power delivery. All ACD tests measure is the senstivity of the AVR's protection circuits, nothing more. Yamaha has been recognized by both Audioholics and Home Theater Magazine for having overly sensitive protection circuits.
There have been complaints about the lack of power in surround mode on some models.

So, I guess it looks like that the 1020 has less sensitive power protection.
Yamaha RX-A1020 A/V Receiver HT Labs Measures | Sound & Vision
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Pretty weak numbers for a $1200 receiver.
If you are referring to HT ACD numbers, then yeah they seem a little low. However, like I said before, ACD tests don't reflect real world applications nor do they test the power delivery capability of Yamaha. All they test is the response of the protection circuits. If you want to see actual power measurements, look at the numbers of two channel tests. In two channel mode, they only way the Yamaha goes into protection is under short circuit conditions.

From the audioholics power tests.. Yamaha RX-A1010 AVENTAGE A/V Receiver Review Measurements and Analysis | Audioholics

The Yamaha RX-A1010 handedly exceeded its 110wpc power rating continuously with two channels driven and put out a commendable 155wpc both channels driven into 4-ohms; and that’s a full power bandwidth measurement (20Hz to 20kHz at 0.1% THD + N). You can see the protection circuit kick on during our ACD tests, purposely limiting power to 70wpc for all seven channels driven. This means the RX-A1010 was dissipating nearly 980 watts from the wall outlet to deliver this much power to all seven channels. Not bad for a sub $1k receiver with a 600VA power supply.
In short time, there is no doubt in my mind forum trolls seeing the ACD power numbers for this receiver will pop up on our site or AVS Forum bashing Yamaha, not realizing the design purpose of power limiting a multi channel amplifier in a compact chassis, or the reality that real world program material will never trip this limiter circuitry. Thus we conducted dynamic burst power measurements simulating real world program content.
The RX-A1010 delivered impressive dynamic power results under all loading conditions. Into 8-ohms, 1 channel driven, the RX-A1010 produced 170wpc or about 1.9dB of headroom over its 110wpc rating. Interestingly the RX-A1010 delivered similar results into 1 or 2 channels driven into 4-ohm loads producing in excess of 260wpc. Yamaha specs the RX-A1010 as being able to deliver 210wpc dynamically into a 4-ohm load. I would say that is rather conservative given my measurement results using the CEA 2006 burst test.

I would say pretty impressive numbers for a $1200 receiver
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
However, there has been no controlled tests to determine which is better. Only subjective opinions have been tossed around in that area. I would not let RC dictate to me which AVR to get.
I do agree but most people I see that have had both seem to think Audyssey does a better job but it is really subjective.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Both AVRs are great. Only difference will be in the EQ: Room EQ, Subwoofer EQ, Dynamic EQ.

Best way is to play with both at the store or at a friend's house and see what you like better.
 

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