Emotiva Customer Service is Horrible!

Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
(Emotiva, are you listening?)
There was another thread recently, from someone in Canada who had trouble with them, and one of their reps did respond. I guess they decided that they better try to save face once the person went public, because as you said, bad press isn't good. I found it humorous to some extent that the rep quoted and responded to everyone else (IIRC) except for me, even though I was courteous. I even mentioned it as joke, and then was again ignored by the rep. I'll give them this - they're at least consistent with me. :D
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Hey Emotiva,

Would you please get Adam's sh!t straight?

Thank you,
-Alex


Hope that helps.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Thanks, man. :D Mine are out of warranty, though, and have been for about a year. If they weren't going to help me in the beginning, I sure don't expect them to now. They don't even make those models anymore. They're packed up in their boxes and serve as a ~$1800 lesson learned.
 
STRONGBADF1

STRONGBADF1

Audioholic Spartan
Thanks, man. :D Mine are out of warranty, though, and have been for about a year. If they weren't going to help me in the beginning, I sure don't expect them to now. They don't even make those models anymore. They're packed up in their boxes and serve as a ~$1800 lesson learned.
$22.51 shipped and you don't ever have to look at them again!
 
surveyor

surveyor

Audioholic Chief
That is true. I have not yet heard a story where they broke their warranty policy though... Anything you hear is international {except for a couple incidents, adams was from before I was a member, I never heard the entire story}.

To me this is what I get out of the op's situation...
He bought the unit with a 5 year warranty, it worked for a while then broke, they sent a new part and it was fixed, then it broke again, they sent a new part and it was not fixed, he had to call them at least twice for each part, and now when he sent it back on his own dime they didn't look at it after 2 weeks passed and he called to follow up... This is indeed poor practice, they are wrong, and now the op and anyone else reading this knows, to
1-record the information incase you need it at a later date--- get names and incident numbers when available, write down dates and times of calls...
2-follow up after a couple days if you did not get a tracking number or confirmation of some sort by then
3- buy local if and when possible {this will save you shipping costs and aggravation in the off chance there is a problem} {you are buying emo because they are a great value, an amp or processor of equal quality would cost 2-10 times more if bought elsewhere...

4- processors from small companies like emo, outlaw, parasound, ect. will most likely have problems, I had REALLY good luck with my UMC1 and UMC200 {its one of the first ones sold and not an issue with it as of yet, and we use it 8-10 hours EVERYDAY since it arrived}. You will do much better with a Denon, Marantz, Pioneer, ect that has preouts for the same price, but beware with the exception of Denon if Emos CS scares you some of the big companies will have you setting up a noose and a shaky chair in no time...

So anyway, I hope the OP gets this taken care of and in all honesty I'm sure Emo is going to fix his unit and return it or replace it, there is little doubt about that, they aren't going to "rob" you or send it back broken, just taking longer than it should , I sent an email onto the rep I deal with with a link to this thread expressing my concern since between me and my brother we own almost $15K in emo gear...

Some times we forget this is only stereo equipment, its not a life and death issue, your pipes aren't going to freeze because your heat isn't on, your grandfather isn't going to have a stroke from the heat since your air conditioner is out, food isn't going to spoil since the refrigerator is broken, your not going to lose your job because your car can't move, your not able to get around because your prosthetic legs ankle joint is seized up, ect... this is just an av receiver not your sons iron lung machine, mechanical and electronic devices break, its the nature of the beast, and some times a phone call or two can fall through the cracks, I understand this since I am in business and go through it once and a while myself, the op did the rite thing by expressing his feelings here and warning others on how to take care of the situation, hopefully this saves someone else the aggravation that he is going through, and hopefully emo gets off of their *** and gets him his unit back before he has to watch Seed in 2.0 again {Seed is like the canadian Friends}..
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How did Outlaw Audio get brought into this, in example 4! Outlaw Audio did not experience the problems that Emotiva did with their AVP's. Show a legitimate example? Granted Emotiva pays a fortune in advertising here!
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
How did Outlaw Audio get brought into this, in example 4! Outlaw Audio did not experience the problems that Emotiva did with their AVP's. Show a legitimate example? Granted Emotiva pays a fortune in advertising here!
Outlaw Audio Processor Model 997/978. 'Nuff said.
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
It was never produced and sold to the public?
Both got scrapped after long and drawn out updates, followed by promises and pictures. The 997 got scrapped IIRC due to all the updates they kept having to make because of the changing technology and because the Trinnov optimizer was giving them problems. The 978 was even more hyped and supposedly got canceled by the manufacturing company in the last couple months before it was slated to go into production due to a "conflict of interest" after a few years of helping Outlaw develop the thing. Fishy at best.

Outlaw has been prone to the same CS issues across their entire production range as well as the hardware issues, at least related to their multi-channel processors as Emo and others.
 
surveyor

surveyor

Audioholic Chief
I had a 990 it was impeccable. I have a Model 770 amp, it too was and is impeccable. Across the board, where?
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
I had a 990 it was impeccable. I have a Model 770 amp, it too was and is impeccable. Across the board, where?
IMHO, the amps are only great because they're made by ATI (assuming one likes ATI amps). Their processors have not been immune to glitches and much needed firmware updates just like any other processors. If you look you'll find people who have had poor customer service experiences with them, just like any other company as well. I'm one of those people and it's been documented well enough on this forum.

EDIT: I still own a 970 processor and used to own a 755 amp.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
Thanks, man. :D Mine are out of warranty, though, and have been for about a year. If they weren't going to help me in the beginning, I sure don't expect them to now. They don't even make those models anymore. They're packed up in their boxes and serve as a ~$1800 lesson learned.
I don't want to bash them at all because of the positive stuff I hear about them from the likes of j_garcia. I don't care about expired warranties. They have the ability to make you happy and they should. End of story.
 
surveyor

surveyor

Audioholic Chief
I like Emotiva products! I went with the Outlaw amp- as I'm poor, and at the time was leary about the made in China Emotiva amps. But today, I would not hesitate to buy Emotiva products. I will leave the AVP purchases to the big boys like D&M, Yamaha etc.
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
How did Outlaw Audio get brought into this, in example 4! Outlaw Audio did not experience the problems that Emotiva did with their AVP's. Show a legitimate example? Granted Emotiva pays a fortune in advertising here!
If you read what I wrote, I said they "will most likely have problems", it wasn't a direct dig at outlaw, I own their products and they are nice, but I have read multiple topics trashing their customer support, and I have read a few about processor issues, if I remeber correctly the 990 had sub management issues itself, and I also recently heard about someone having a doa 975...
 
S

sharkman

Full Audioholic
If you read what I wrote, I said they "will most likely have problems", it wasn't a direct dig at outlaw, I own their products and they are nice, but I have read multiple topics trashing their customer support, and I have read a few about processor issues, if I remeber correctly the 990 had sub management issues itself, and I also recently heard about someone having a doa 975...
Could you link to some of these threads where Outlaw gets their customer service trashed? I have read MANY Emotiva threads where the customer service is bad, but maybe only one or two where Outlaw couldn't make the customer happy.
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
Could you link to some of these threads where Outlaw gets their customer service trashed? I have read MANY Emotiva threads where the customer service is bad, but maybe only one or two where Outlaw couldn't make the customer happy.
I never trashed them, but first and only time I've ever contacted them I was left with a less than satisfied feeling. Plus they never actually helped me, nor would I ever buy anything from them again due to my experience. If I want one of their amps I'll just buy an ATI from classicaudioparts which will be made with slightly better materials and specs a bit better anyways. Other than that, their subs are basically HSU's and their processor is more of a niche product for people who want separates, but want to stay minimalist.

EDIT: To be clear, their products aren't bad, they're excellent. They're just kind of taking other companies products, altering them slightly, and selling them as their own. Based on my poor CS experience, which may or may not be typical, I would rather buy from the original companies who seem to have a more solid CS reputation.
 
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surveyor

surveyor

Audioholic Chief
I never trashed them, but first and only time I've ever contacted them I was left with a less than satisfied feeling. Plus they never actually helped me, nor would I ever buy anything from them again due to my experience. If I want one of their amps I'll just buy an ATI from classicaudioparts which will be made with slightly better materials and specs a bit better anyways. Other than that, their subs are basically HSU's and their processor is more of a niche product for people who want separates, but want to stay minimalist.

EDIT: To be clear, their products aren't bad, they're excellent. They're just kind of taking other companies products, altering them slightly, and selling them as their own. Based on my poor CS experience, which may or may not be typical, I would rather buy from the original companies who seem to have a more solid CS reputation.
Please provide your source that the ATI amps have better materials and specs?
 
fuzz092888

fuzz092888

Audioholic Warlord
Please provide your source that the ATI amps have better materials and specs?
In their current models, it's less clear. However in their previous models there was a clear difference in specs. Now they spec much closer to their ATI counter parts. As for a difference in parts, there is a difference in parts and materials from numerous internet photos plus the description of the units on their respective websites (unless it's specified in the NDA I'm sure Outlaw would be touting their "glass epoxy" boards like ATI does). Furthermore, just based on economies of sale, it wouldn't make any financial sense that they would drop the exact same parts in the Outlaw amps. Look at the B-Stock ATI's from Classic audio parts. That's a more realistic price for those amplifiers and CAP is still making money off of every amp sold. Outlaw has to purchase the amps from ATI and still make a healthy enough profit (30% or better of retail) to have it make sense for them. All signs point to using less expensive parts and materials, but it would appear that spec quite well compared to what ATI is using.

Can you provide any sources that says they are the exact same amps? (Not that you said they are). It just makes more sense that they're different, especially given the past specification discrepancies of their older models (which also carried lower price tags as well).
 

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