Mockery of the Office of President

[stratman]

Hunh??
Clinton balanced the budget. Bush is spening like crazy and putting us deeply in debt.

Dry humour.

 

[stratman]

Remember something fellas, liberals are for large government, conservatives are for small unintrusive governance, we're not for taxes. Bush is a social conservative and a fiscal liberal.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Dry humour.

No humor. Just the truth.

 

[Rickster71]

So, here's a little more truth...

Think Clinton was responsible for the booming economy of the 1990s? Nope - the recover was underway before he even was elected. Think he erased the deficit? Wrong - gushing tax revenues did that, and a Republican Congress that imposed a slim veneer of fiscal discipline. Think he was serious about "reforming welfare as we know it?" Think again - he signed that bill only because he thought it was necessary for his reelection, and then he vowed to supporters that he'd fix it, though he never did. Think he was an innocent victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy? Hah - he brought all his troubles on himself and has no one else to blame. Think he was tough on crime? Hardly - he nominated a clueless Janet Reno attorney general; need I say more? Think he helped bring peace to the Middle East? Not even close - he strengthened Arafat, whose refusal to accept generous concessions from Israel led to the endless bloodshed. Think he cared about the people of Africa? Not so fast - he not only did nothing to stop the genocide in Rwanda, his administration actively opposed any UN effort to send more troops there.

Clinton preferred talking about tough issues to actually doing something about them. He avoided any action, no matter how justified, necessary, or right, that he thought might cost him a dip in the polls, while taking action only on issues that he thought would help him politically, or were just easier, like school uniforms and the V-chip.
Because of that, one could almost conclude Clinton was an inconsequential president, except for one major issue: terrorism. By treating it as a law enforcement issue, he essentially washed his hands of it and left it to the Justice Department to track down terrorists, a task for which the department was not prepared. As a result, Osama and his cohorts had free rein to kill Americans all over the world, until finally the country woke up to the war we were in on September 11, 2001. Clinton knew Osama was a threat, yet other than bombing empty buildings and deserted training camps, he did nothing. That would be difficult, you see, a distraction from his important work of pardoning rich fugitives and getting Hillary elected to the Senate.

 

[Halon451]

Well, I'm certainly no Bush fan boy, and have never stated anything to the effect of him being one of the greats. BUT - I refuse to jump on the bandwagon and start bashing him just because it's the "popular" thing to do, which I believe is the majority of the thinking when it comes to the current pollitical climate. Strat - thanks for the very informative post, I have to admit it's opened my eye a bit further to the economical side of things regarding current and past administrations, but most of the public doesn't even base their opinions on factual evidence so much as riding the wave of Hollywood politico - if this guy hates Bush, and this guy hates Bush, then I too, shall hate Bush. I don't think he's a terrible President - perhaps inept when it comes to the country's economic welfare, but we as Americans need to address the larger picture here, and choose our next President based not on party affiliation, but on their ability to lead us back to greatness. Well, I say that with some trepidation - I believe with all my hear that we still are a great country, but we are severely divided, and - much like the Steam Vent regulars - always out looking for the next controversy to spin up in the public eye. We lack focus as a nation, and unity. We lack direction, promise and vision. We fail to educate ourselves properly on the major issues we face today (together), and cast blind votes for candidates who will take our great nation into ruin and beyond (Obama/Clinton). If there is one thing I can say about Bush, is that 9/11 put the fear of god in him for our country's security (as it did all of us), the only difference is that he continues the fight, after the rest of the public has grown tired and forgetful, and thinks the enemy is no longer at war with us.

More so than any individual who has resided at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, present past or future - WE, as Americans have made more of a mockery of the Presidency by our inability to come together and elect the right people for the job.

WE need to do some serious waking up...

 

[Halon451]

So, here's a little more truth...

Think Clinton was responsible for the booming economy of the 1990s? Nope - the recover was underway before he even was elected. Think he erased the deficit? Wrong - gushing tax revenues did that, and a Republican Congress that imposed a slim veneer of fiscal discipline. Think he was serious about "reforming welfare as we know it?" Think again - he signed that bill only because he thought it was necessary for his reelection, and then he vowed to supporters that he'd fix it, though he never did. Think he was an innocent victim of a vast right-wing conspiracy? Hah - he brought all his troubles on himself and has no one else to blame. Think he was tough on crime? Hardly - he nominated a clueless Janet Reno attorney general; need I say more? Think he helped bring peace to the Middle East? Not even close - he strengthened Arafat, whose refusal to accept generous concessions from Israel led to the endless bloodshed. Think he cared about the people of Africa? Not so fast - he not only did nothing to stop the genocide in Rwanda, his administration actively opposed any UN effort to send more troops there.

Clinton preferred talking about tough issues to actually doing something about them. He avoided any action, no matter how justified, necessary, or right, that he thought might cost him a dip in the polls, while taking action only on issues that he thought would help him politically, or were just easier, like school uniforms and the V-chip.
Because of that, one could almost conclude Clinton was an inconsequential president, except for one major issue: terrorism. By treating it as a law enforcement issue, he essentially washed his hands of it and left it to the Justice Department to track down terrorists, a task for which the department was not prepared. As a result, Osama and his cohorts had free rein to kill Americans all over the world, until finally the country woke up to the war we were in on September 11, 2001. Clinton knew Osama was a threat, yet other than bombing empty buildings and deserted training camps, he did nothing. That would be difficult, you see, a distraction from his important work of pardoning rich fugitives and getting Hillary elected to the Senate.

Hot damn... that's what I'm talking about Rickster - good post. Any comments from the peanut gallery?

 

[jinjuku]

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Neither Clinton nor Bush had any effect on the economy.

Wow, I am for once speechless...

 

[Audioholics]

Bush is the most fiscally liberal President we've had in years. And I'm a conservative. Tax cuts are almost ALWAYS a good idea, but they have to be accompanied by spending cuts or the extra revenues generated simply increase the size of government...

Anyone who think tax cuts don't spur the economy might want to ask where all this money came from - and it's not the deficit.

PS. It's going to get worse... regardless of who gets elected for 2009.

 

[Halon451]

Wow, I am for once speechless...

Strat was being sarcastic.

 

[Rickster71]

Hot damn... that's what I'm talking about Rickster - good post. Any comments from the peanut gallery?

Thanks Halon!
Don't be too impressed.
It took me since last night to type.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

PS. It's going to get worse... regardless of who gets elected for 2009.

That much is true. The next president has their work cut out for them, trying to repair all the damage Bush has done.

 

[stratman]

Wow, I am for once speechless...

It was a stab at dry serious humour.

 

[Halon451]

That much is true. The next president has their work cut out for them, trying to repair all the damage Bush has done.

Damage? Here's one for the Clinton supporters:



Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting
all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Selective Service
Number is 326 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves
on August 07, 1969, under authority of COL. E. Holmes.

Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of
Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2) (a), regisrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.

Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but
anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!


Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while still a fugitive from justice.

Bill Clinton receives a pardon on January 21, 1977, from
President Jimmy Carter.


Bill Clinton becomes the FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON
ever to serve as President of the United States.


All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published. None has been refuted by Clinton.


After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, then President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa , which killed 224 and injured 5,000, President Clinton promised
that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 US. sailors, President Clinton promised that those responsible be hunted down and punished.


If Clinton had just kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people killed on Sept 11 in New York, Somerset and Washington DC, would be alive today. Remember it took 9/11 and President Bush to realize that we had actually been at war for the past DECADE, and we were doing nothing about it.


It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.

Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.

This from two people who spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath.

 

[stratman]

We'll see where it's going to go in 2008, one thing's for sure McCain is not a conservative and if he wins and tries to appease both sides of the aisle, we're going straight into a massive recession. If we don't get a leader soon, who is willing to make unpopular decisions, knows how to control the press, says things as they are, I'm afraid we're headed for some serious trouble. If we get Hillary or Obama we're also headed for trouble, neither has the experience nor the vision to run a "capitalist" country, their demo-socialist myopic view will be a detriment to this country and it's business infrastructure, who by the way foots the majority of the bills. And let's not talk about their foreign relations experience either. So what do we do?

 

[Halon451]

We'll see where it's going to go in 2008, one thing's for sure McCain is not a conservative and if he wins and tries to appease both sides of the aisle, we're going straight into a massive recession. If we don't get a leader soon, who is willing to make unpopular decisions, knows how to control the press, says things as they are, I'm afraid we're headed for some serious trouble. If we get Hillary or Obama we're also headed for trouble, neither has the experience nor the vision to run a "capitalist" country, their demo-socialist myopic view will be a detriment to this country and it's business infrastructure, who by the way foots the majority of the bills. And let's not talk about their foreign relations experience either. So what do we do?

Arm ourselves to the teeth and wait for the sh*t to start hitting the proverbial fan...

 

[stratman]

Damage? Here's one for the Clinton supporters:



Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting
all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Selective Service
Number is 326 46 228.

Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968.

Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969.

Bill Clinton refuses to report and is not inducted into the military.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves
on August 07, 1969, under authority of COL. E. Holmes.

Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of
Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2) (a), regisrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction.

Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but
anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is INELIGIBLE!


Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while still a fugitive from justice.

Bill Clinton receives a pardon on January 21, 1977, from
President Jimmy Carter.


Bill Clinton becomes the FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON
ever to serve as President of the United States.


All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published. None has been refuted by Clinton.


After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, then President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel, President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa , which killed 224 and injured 5,000, President Clinton promised
that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 US. sailors, President Clinton promised that those responsible be hunted down and punished.


If Clinton had just kept those promises, an estimated 3,000 people killed on Sept 11 in New York, Somerset and Washington DC, would be alive today. Remember it took 9/11 and President Bush to realize that we had actually been at war for the past DECADE, and we were doing nothing about it.


It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.

Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.

This from two people who spent 8 years being unable to recall anything about past events while under oath.

Why do you think Hollywood fell in love with Slick Willie? He embodies all that they represent: smut, cowardly, amoral, untrustworthy, philanderer, smug, arrogant, truly Hollywood's renaissance man. All the qualities that a President should have, right? I'll say it again, the masses are swayed by the look of the cover, not the content of the book. We live in a society consumed by entertainment, gossip, moral decay, excessive consumerism, lies, everything that made this country great has been systematically categorized as old fashion, out of touch and unsophisticated by the mass media outlets over a span of decades, Bill Clinton is the product of the radical 60's, where absolutes were erased and radicalism reigned. His cohorts rule Hollywood and the press. Remember what socialism/fascism states, control the media and you control the population.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

Remember what socialism/fascism states, control the media and you control the population.

Correct. Look what the Bush Nazis did to Dan Rather when he found out about Dubya's draft dodging. Funny what a selective memory the public has, isn't it?

 

[Halon451]

Correct. Look what the Bush Nazis did to Dan Rather when he found out about Dubya's draft dodging. Funny what a selective memory the public has, isn't it?

So, what's your solution Joe - you've stated before you would vote Democrat either way, so do you really think Obama or Hillary is right for this country? Forget Bush for a second - his term is almost over, it's time to look ahead already.

 

[Rickster71]

We'll see where it's going to go in 2008, one thing's for sure McCain is not a conservative and if he wins and tries to appease both sides of the aisle, we're going straight into a massive recession. If we don't get a leader soon, who is willing to make unpopular decisions, knows how to control the press, says things as they are, I'm afraid we're headed for some serious trouble. If we get Hillary or Obama we're also headed for trouble, neither has the experience nor the vision to run a "capitalist" country, their demo-socialist myopic view will be a detriment to this country and it's business infrastructure, who by the way foots the majority of the bills. And let's not talk about their foreign relations experience either. So what do we do?

Where's my man Ron Paul, when we need him?

 

[Davemcc]

Bush is the most fiscally liberal President we've had in years. And I'm a conservative. Tax cuts are almost ALWAYS a good idea, but they have to be accompanied by spending cuts or the extra revenues generated simply increase the size of government...

Anyone who think tax cuts don't spur the economy might want to ask where all this money came from - and it's not the deficit.

PS. It's going to get worse... regardless of who gets elected for 2009.

Short term, yes. But it doesn't have to be long term with sound fiscal policy. You need sustainable, long term, substantial tax cuts. When I say substantial, I mean deep enough to float corporations (read: employers) that are hovering on the brink of insolvency, deep enough to allow people close to bankruptcy to put their financial affairs in order. Leaving money in the hands of corporations and consumers will prevent the immediate collapse of the economy and lead to the stability needed to rebuild a stable, long term economic structure. However, in the short term, the government will have to carry some additional debt, as it will initially suffer a significant drop in revenue until the economy catches up refill government coffers. These tax cuts should ideally come with massive reductions in discretionary spending to reduce the amount of transitional debt the government needs to carry during this transition.

To some this may sound counter-intuitive, but to put it simply neither an employer nor a citizen can generate wealth or stability if the government takes their capital or savings.