I voted this morning

Goat1

Goat1

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I love watching the left go bonkers! The sky is falling before hrs even taken office.. You can't make it up. One girl protesting said people need to die to make change.. WTF!

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jinjuku

jinjuku

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So a big chunk of the voting population essentially had a infantile temper tantrum and voted for a similarly infantile candidate. Nothing good will follow.
This attitude about the population that voted Trump is why they voted for Trump.

You want to know what is infantile? Grown adults crying, grown adults technically in some places rioting, grown adults shutting down highways, grown adults not being able to continue on and be given a test in college, Grown adults writing on their forehead "not my president".

If this is the caliber of adult hood the 'everyone gets a trophy', need our safe space from countering view points, everything is some form of 'appropriation'. We aren't fucked because Trumps is in office. We are fucked because too many people are 'too smart' for their own good.

Grow up.

I didn't want Bush Jr. to be elected. But he was. He wasn't good for this country but I put on my adult clothes and got on with being the main driving factor of how my life improves.
 
Goat1

Goat1

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Agreed! But I thought Bush was fine. Hillary as Pres would be a total disaster. Think she's going to create even 1 job? She would penalize all the people working to give degenerates free stuff. I'm going to put the coal industry out of business. That was a classy quote that probably single handedly lost her Pennsylvania.

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jinjuku

jinjuku

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Bush got us into a bogus war. That's always a negative in my book. Pretty big one actually.
 
Goat1

Goat1

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I've talked to several vets that said we needed to be there. We only know what the media tells us.

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KEW

KEW

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KEW, of course I'm not trying to be hurtful. Neither do I find glee in the distress of my friends. I'm pleased to consider most of the members here friends, and proud when that feeling is reciprocated.
Glad to hear it. As I was reading your post, it sounded like you'd gotten more involved in this political BS than is healthy (which is also true of the people overly distraught by it).

I see liberals blaming Hillary's loss to race, gender, heritage, etc. So these people really believe half the population are racists, bigots, misogynists, xenophobes, etc? Really?
If you read the last paragraph of my post (#10 made at 2:07PM on the 8th):
All of that said, this years elections have a serious wild-card aspect to them. I don't know of any other time where I believe it is safe to say more people are going to the polls to vote against the opponent than to vote for their own candidate. I think this is true on both sides of the ticket.
I would speculate that 15% to 20% of the people voting for either candidate are enthralled with their candidate and the other 20% to 35% have some distaste for having to vote for their own candidate in order to attempt to block the opponent!
Thus, I believe 15-20% voted for Trump because they actually like his character/principles and the balance were people who are so opposed to Hillary (and what she represents) that they held their noses and voted for Trump to keep Hilliary out. That is not so difficult to understand.

In this case, the real cause is that govt has taken more responsibility than we want them to have.
I'm not sure if it is that or that they have so mismanaged what they have taken responsibility for (which is almost the same thing).

Note: Naturally, there are exceptions. But I don't think you'll find many of those exceptions in the universities that are cancelling classes and bringing in counselors and therapy dogs to help the students handle their grief. Good grief! Now that tickles me.
Can you provide some specifics on this? All I could find was this story that originated from a tweet:
http://www.snopes.com/yale-cancels-midterms-after-students-were-upset-by-trumps-win/
I can find nothing mentioning special grief counseling (though I suspect there are some students who may visit the counseling centers in response to the election).
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

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I've talked to several vets that said we needed to be there. We only know what the media tells us.

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Oh, come on. I know two vets (Army/Navy) that are still scratching their head over that fiasco.
 
Goat1

Goat1

Audioholic
I deal with a Vet program. Trust me , there was stuff going on there were don't know about.

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jinjuku

jinjuku

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I deal with a Vet program. Trust me , there was stuff going on there were don't know about.

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I look forward to all the factual information then.
 
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This attitude about the population that voted Trump is why they voted for Trump.
I don't care why anyone voted for Trump. Think about how childish it would be to vote for a candidate because you don't like someone's attitude. People should be voting for candidates for their policies, not because someone somewhere snubbed them. Now we have elected a man who has sworn to repeal the affordable care act and put a 45% tariff on Chinese manufactured goods and a 25% tariff on Mexican produced products. That would send the USA back into a major recession, but unlike the last one we will have to deal with major inflation as well. And it would do very little to bolster manufacturing the the USA, in fact it would hurt it a whole lot. The USA is still a major manufacturing exporter; do you think we can slap tariffs on imports and not expect countries to do the same to our products?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Hi Goat, no I'm not. I can barely string two words together.:)
That's an article written by Jeffrey Tucker.
I was a bit reticent about attributing it, fearing it would by dismissed out of hand.
Yep, would have been best. :)
 
cel4145

cel4145

Audioholic
This attitude about the population that voted Trump is why they voted for Trump.

You want to know what is infantile? Grown adults crying, grown adults technically in some places rioting, grown adults shutting down highways, grown adults not being able to continue on and be given a test in college, Grown adults writing on their forehead "not my president".
By and large, the Trump protests have been peaceful. But, if you want to play that game, I guess everyone who didn't vote for Trump should assume everyone who did is planning celebrations of Trump victory like this one:


;)
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Why does anyone care if someone protests the election results of the guy who was going to keep us in suspense if he "accepted" the election results or not himself?
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Nah, by nominating Hillary, the Dems plaxico'd themselves.

Trump vs Bernie or Biden or Warren would have killed it in the ratings, bigly. If only...Warren and Bernie spoke to the same anti-globalization sentiment that Trump exploited. It would have been a good fight, and perhaps raised awareness that there is common ground on the populist right and progressive left.

We're either headed further into corporatocracy, or worse, or will have to reign all the BS back in via some sort of neo-New Deal.

Interesting times we live in.
That's just it.
Democrats didn't insist on a fair primary. Instead it was a coronation for Hillary that was rigged against Bernie. While Trump took on 16 competitors in the primary and won.
Why are the paid rioters there now and not when Bernie was robbed?
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

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I don't care why anyone voted for Trump. Think about how childish it would be to vote for a candidate because you don't like someone's attitude. People should be voting for candidates for their policies, not because someone somewhere snubbed them
You have large swaths of rural populations feeling disenfranchised. Trade deals came along that ushered jobs out of the country. Then the promised educational opportunities were far few and in between. And even when people did get to take advantage there were either no job/s or jobs barely better than min. wage.

Remember when WJC was bragging about creating two million jobs and someone quipped right back "Yeah, I've got three of them". This is what you are staring at.

I didn't vote for Trump. But that's because I have something to lose. I think a large populous voted for Trump because they don't have anything to lose. Trump may be a bully but there are a lot of people thinking he's their bully.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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Bush got us into a bogus war. That's always a negative in my book. Pretty big one actually.
Many, many politicians wanted war:

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
I don't care why anyone voted for Trump. Think about how childish it would be to vote for a candidate because you don't like someone's attitude. People should be voting for candidates for their policies, not because someone somewhere snubbed them. Now we have elected a man who has sworn to repeal the affordable care act and put a 45% tariff on Chinese manufactured goods and a 25% tariff on Mexican produced products. That would send the USA back into a major recession, but unlike the last one we will have to deal with major inflation as well. And it would do very little to bolster manufacturing the the USA, in fact it would hurt it a whole lot. The USA is still a major manufacturing exporter; do you think we can slap tariffs on imports and not expect countries to do the same to our products?
By and large, the Trump protests have been peaceful. But, if you want to play that game, I guess everyone who didn't vote for Trump should assume everyone who did is planning celebrations of Trump victory like this one:


;)
The KKK is a fringe nutso group. The people crying, blocking highways etc are supposed the be the up and coming people that are going to take over the reigns.

These are the same people that can't effectively handle a contrarian opinion with out having to have a safe space to run to.

I don't want him in the seat either. That's why I tried telling the DNC with my primary vote to put Bernie in the slot. I know this because my family and extended family are 90% blue collar. All that some 30 year old SJW would have to say to them is make it a Skinny Cafe Mocha. God forbid anyone with out a traditional education have something of substance to say in a conversation.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Some say Trump was arrogant.. others say his detractors were more arrogant and entitled :
www.facebook.com/thenighttim3/videos/10154488709621355/
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Many, many politicians wanted war:

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
By that logic I'll see you in N. Korea.

"Chalabi-connected Iraqi defector "Curveball"—a convicted sex offender and low-level engineer who became the sole source for much of the case that Saddam had WMD, particularly mobile weapons labs—enters Munich seeking a German visa. German intel officers describe his information as highly suspect. US agents never debrief Curveball or perform background check. Nonetheless, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and CIA will pass raw intel on to senior policymakers.

Saddam's removal is top item of Bush's inaugural national security meeting. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill later recalls, "It was all about finding a way to do it. The president saying, 'Go find me a way to do this.'"

Memo to CIA from Energy Department experts eviscerates "Joe's" theory that aluminum tubes purchased by Iraq are for nuclear centrifuges.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
By that logic I'll see you in N. Korea.

"Chalabi-connected Iraqi defector "Curveball"—a convicted sex offender and low-level engineer who became the sole source for much of the case that Saddam had WMD, particularly mobile weapons labs—enters Munich seeking a German visa. German intel officers describe his information as highly suspect. US agents never debrief Curveball or perform background check. Nonetheless, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and CIA will pass raw intel on to senior policymakers.

Saddam's removal is top item of Bush's inaugural national security meeting. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill later recalls, "It was all about finding a way to do it. The president saying, 'Go find me a way to do this.'"

Memo to CIA from Energy Department experts eviscerates "Joe's" theory that aluminum tubes purchased by Iraq are for nuclear centrifuges.
Last time I checked, a President doesn't declare war all by himself. They may have opinions on war. Everybody who was anybody wanted war after Sept. 11th (very few exceptions)
 
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