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Aliixer

Audioholic
Has anyone heard this speaker from ZU?

The Druid......

High sensitivity, easy load for amplifier, ultra wide dynamic range and high power handling—natural dynamic reproduction is the foundation on which the Druid range is engineered. Matching the natural dynamic range of an event with that of playback results in a dramatic increase in playback realism. In addition Druid tackles bandwidth, amplitude and group delay issues without breaking a sweat. Druid performance is largely due to our full-range driver. It features very high efficiency, ultra wide bandwidth, minimum group delay, linear dynamic contrast and uniform spectral amplitude—attributes that allow the elimination of crossover and other network components. The amazing dynamic range of the Druid is the result of a very powerful motor and unique acoustic coupling of the cone. The balance of cone weight, material, shape and mechanical suspension also enabled the Zu260FR driver to reach new benchmarks in bandwidth, dispersion and amplitude uniformity. (Standard hi-fi drivers are not capable of playing much over three octaves without having problems in dispersion, imaging, timbre, timing.) Complimenting our new driver is our original Griewe driver loading model. Why a new "box"? Because all popular models have some major problem—transmission lines and ported designs of all types control cone motion but at the expense of group delay and other forms of distortion; sealed enclosures perform with much less group delay distortions but cause cone motion to be excessive; horns damp cone motion well but distort amplitude and phase. Druid driver loading and low frequency goals are met through our proprietary Griewe driver loading design. This is the first loudspeaker to implement Ron Griewe's* alternating velocity theories.

Industrial Design
Small footprint, confident, exceptional fit and finish, timeless lines and materials. With one glance the observer will know the Druid loudspeaker is capable, well engineered and solidly constructed. The Druid's purpose and attention to detail command respect. Did we mention they leap tall buildings in a single bound?

Connection
Pure unplated copper Cardas binding posts accommodate spades (standard and oversized), bananas, pins or bare wire.

Amplification
Bipolar or F.E.T., class A or switching, O.T.L. or transformer isolated, one bottle single ended triodes or 500 Watt "who needs central heating" pentodes; Druid loudspeakers will work well with all audio amplification designs.

Multi-Channel
There is nothing that will match the level of fidelity that a set of Druid's will give in a large multi-channel playback system.

Stereo
Zu intimately sampled many of the best loudspeakers in the world. To be competitive you must know your competition. The only comparative shortcoming the Druid has in stereo playback is in the lowest octave. Fidelity in the extreme low frequency is excellent but lacks in amplitude and while a sub may be welcomed, it is not a requirement.

Zu-260FR-G2 full range driver. 8.5 octave bandwidth (-3 dB), 260 mm (10.3") diameter, very high Bl, linear motor function, 25 gram moving mass, natural fiber cone assembly, cast frame, precision machined motor and pole assembly, 12 Ohm nominal impedance, 101 dB nominal sensitivity (1 Watt).
Proprietary Griewe driver loading. Our evolutionary loudspeaker enclosure causes maximum wideband cone damping (minimizes cone motion), proper control and coupling of rear acoustic energy and reduces low frequency time delay.
Amplifier intimacy. Elimination of not just the crossover but also any other network element were part of the Druid concept. FET, bipolar, digital, vacuum tube, all amplification types benefit from the increased intimacy the Druid provides.
In addition to the B3 input, Druid loudspeakers also accept 6mm (1/4") spades, 8mm (5/16") spades, bare wire, bananas and pins via Cardas™ pure unplated copper binding posts.
New Zu-T1 CNC machined billet aluminum super tweeter.
Zu, split highpass network, 12 kHz / 15 kHz on super tweeter.
Spikes are AISI 1062 steel, core hardened to Rc55.
60-day satisfaction guarantee.
5-year limited warranty on materials and workmanship.
Made in USA.
Is the Druid a bass reflex (ported) design?

The Druid is not a bass reflex design and does not correlate to Helmholtz resonators. While the reactance and impedance plot may look similar to those of a ported design, such measures cannot be specifically correlated to enclosure acoustics.

Without divulging the proprietary math and correlations, let me outline a few principles expressed in the Druid and contrast them with bass reflex (ported) designs. A bass reflex loudspeaker uses a simple Helmoltz resonator to augment lower frequencies and control cone motion. A Helmoltz resonator consists of a rigid-walled cavity (the volume) with a neck (“port”) with an area and length. The fluid (air) moves as a unit to provide the mass element and if the quarter wavelength is much greater than volume, the acoustic pressure within the loudspeaker box provides the stiffness element; the resistive element is provided by the opening that radiates the simple source sound. All Helmoltz resonators contain these basic elements.

The Druid enclosure is expressed, on a fundamental level, like that of a waveguide with uniform cross section and terminated and driven at one end. Propagation within the Druid is mostly planer and standing waves are not stimulated. Power radiation from the open end is expressed similarly to that of a standard open-ended pipe, driven and terminated from the opposing end. Though similar, the Druid cannot be fully defined by waveguide, loudspeaker transmission line or driven pipe models. Development of an acoustical model accounting for driver introduced dynamic variables and resulting model changes revealed areas of non planer propagation. The resulting turbulence is wavelength relational and proportional to amplitude.

Applied to loudspeaker design, the new Griewe model shows resulting noise distortions, in varying degrees, throughout the entire audible range. Modifications within and to an audio waveguide that improve loudspeaker are proprietary, the basic idea being to minimize or eliminate non-planer oscillatory propagation.

The enclosure acoustic design principles used in the Druid are based on Ron Griewe’s research and resulting patents. Ron has granted Sean Casey permission to use his research and collaborated on the fundamental application to loudspeakers. Ron Griewe was the editor and chief of Cycle World magazine for fourteen years and has worked as an engineer for several motorcycle manufacturing companies.
 

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Tom Andry

Tom Andry

Speaker of the House
Never heard of them but the company sells $800 a meter speaker wire so they must be good!
 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
Own 'em

For a much more informative read:

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/zu/druid.html

I own these and run them with the same Modwright preamp and flea powered Tripath amp used in the review. My impressions track Ebaen's very closely. These speakers have utterly redefined my expectations related to reproduced music, though you'll need a sub to get below 40 hz.

They replaced Gallo Ref. 3's in my system, which I never miss.

There is a lot of buzz and commentary from owners of these over at AC.
 
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Aliixer

Audioholic
Only Draw?

Seems I would have to purchase these speakers sight unseen and obviously unheard. Can't say I have ever done that. They sure look good!!! lol
 
Tom Andry

Tom Andry

Speaker of the House
Just curious, you say they "sure look good" (and understand that I'm not being sarcastic or anything), what about them looks good? I'm looking at them and other than the high sensitivity, I'm not seeing what is worth $2800 a pair when you can get the same (or similar) performance for much less.

When I was shopping for speakers cost was a huge issue for me so I never looked at these "high-end" (maybe more appropriately labeled "high-price") speakers. When looking at a speaker like this, other than the high-price, what about it says to you that this is going to be a great speaker?
 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
They are

High priced, or affordable - depending on your outlook. If you're a 6moons reviewer looking to replace a $20,000 pair of Avantgarde Duos, they're cheap - especially since his observation is that the Druids give up nothing meaningful in comparison.

As far as performance "just as good as, for less money", it depends on how performance is measured. This comes back to the debate of what defines excellence in reproduction. If flat response is the only criteria, yes, other speakers could probably match the response graphs equally well or better for less money.

The difference comes in areas that are largely ignored or misunderstood, relating to coherence, transient response, tonal shading, and sheer emotional impact. These speakers are incredibly exciting, honest, and make other speakers sound broken. Their response sounds pretty flat in the two rooms I've had them in.

As far as being able to hear them, they are going on tour later this summer. Denver and somewhere on the east coast at least, maybe more stops too.

Or, just take the plunge like I did and Srajan did. I know he's not sending them back and I'm sure not. These speakers do not clean windows, they remove the glass and allow you to step through the frame into the sunny field. They are a conduit to the music beyond any rational expectation.

So, whether they're overpriced depends on your level of obsession and budget. My budget isn't that big, but these are probably the best deal I've ever gotten.
 
Tom Andry

Tom Andry

Speaker of the House
So what you are saying is that it is something more than the specs. While I'm not trying to start a debate here, I guess I was getting at the OP's statement that they "look good". I'm sure that someone who has heard them can determine immediately if they sound good to them, but how does someone come to covet these speakers without the benefit of a demo?

I'm thinking reviews? Perhaps personal testimonials on the web?

Axioms attracted me because of the reviews on this and other websites, personal testimonials, and price. I realized afterwards that almost all "good" speakers have a following of some sort and if you remove name of the speakers they are talking about, they all sound the same.

You've already stated that other speakers of lesser cost spec out the same (or similar) so that can't be considered a factor. Everyone has got fans and detractors so that can't be a factor. The OP has never heard them so that can't be a factor. Price is relative so lets leave that out too. So that leaves the discerning buyer with reviews only? Or am I missing some other piece of data?
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Aliixer said:
Has anyone heard this speaker from ZU?

The Druid......


Zu-260FR-G2 full range driver. 8.5 octave bandwidth (-3 dB), 260 mm (10.3") diameter, very high Bl, linear motor function, 25 gram moving mass, natural fiber cone assembly, cast frame, precision machined motor and pole assembly, 12 Ohm nominal impedance, 101 dB nominal sensitivity (1 Watt).
Some unavoidable physical limitations of the design concern me. The bandwidth of the driver may cause quite severe phase modulation distortion at moderate to high SPLs on music with sufficient levels of bass, as a result of a low frequency driver(large movement relative to high frequencies) also reproducing upper midrange. I, for one, am very sensitive to such distortion(I can hear just over 1% as confirmed in double blind trials) and can not tolerate it. Some people don't even notice it until it's at very high levels, unless it's pointed out to them, so it is a variable issue. But, at lower listening levels, it would not be an issue. In addition, the power response(summed polar response) can not be very good on such a speaker as this, considering the midrange cone diameter and it's respective bandwidth. Only a bending mode driver of this size(which this is clearly not) would have good dispersion into the upper midrange. The tweeter is probably rather limited, as well, in it's dispersion >10kHz. These factors would not allow the involving ambience that I value greatly for many acoustic/classical pieces.

Don't misinterpret me: I'm sure such a speaker can sound very good[in it's own way], but it could never fulfill my specific purposes, considering it's physical limitations.

-Chris
 
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Rob Babcock

Rob Babcock

Moderator
I think tweeter dispersion is a wildly overrated spec. IMOHO a limited radiation pattern is highly desirable, assuming it doesn't beam too badly. The wider the dispersal pattern the more the sound of your tweeter will be tainted by room reflections.

I've never heard the Zu Druids, but while it's not my idea of the Ideal Speaker, many many audiophools I know swear by them.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Rob Babcock said:
I think tweeter dispersion is a wildly overrated spec. IMOHO a limited radiation pattern is highly desirable, assuming it doesn't beam too badly. The wider the dispersal pattern the more the sound of your tweeter will be tainted by room reflections.

I've never heard the Zu Druids, but while it's not my idea of the Ideal Speaker, many many audiophools I know swear by them.
A wide and linear dispersion pattern within a room with proper placement, using controlled 1st reflections, results in a very realistic ambience effect with reverberant recordings such as classical and large scale acoustic. Only possible with a wide radiation pattern in the upper treble band.

BTW, sound quality [1]reduced, as scored by test subjects in blind listening trials, as off-axis horiztonal response(dispersion) was reduced in linearity. Reducing the dispersion in current speakers results in a proportionate increase in off-axis frequency response deviation as compared to on-axis response.

-Chris

[1]
Loudspeaker Measurements and Their Relationship to Listener Preferences: Part 2
Floyd E. Toole
JAES, May, 1986, Vol. 34, pages 227-235
 
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WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Rob Babcock said:
I've never heard the Zu Druids, but while it's not my idea of the Ideal Speaker, many many audiophools I know swear by them.
This is not directed towards owners of Zu Druid speakers, but just an obsevation of audiophiles in general: I have noticed that many audiophiles do not recognize realistic sound reproduction when presented with such. It takes effort to train yourself and take the time to observe and pay attention to what real, unamplfied acoustics sound like. Just for reference, over the years I have gone to unamplified music events, and with eyes closed[open eyes skew perception even more, becuase of the visual input being associated with the sonic input], just listened and memorized the general characteristics. It takes some amount of effort. I regularly go to audiophile events, and it suprises me to see the favorites of some people, when the transducer in question has frequency peaks that are anything but natural/realistic sounding, and not by any small degree.

-Chris
 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
Good responses

Intelligent dialog. The earlier iterations of this speaker were very different and did have significant response linearity issues. I'm not sure whether these have been tested similarly or not, I merely comment on my experience in my home.

I fully concur that many audioheads don't have a clear picture of the perfection they feel they need. Monies spent on cables and tweaks can often be traced to this phenomenon, though I don't disparage all tweaks.

I also am not trying to start any kind of battle, merely share observations.

I would guess people come by these speakers in different ways. The 6moons review will generate a lot of buzz to be sure. I've spent a fair amount of time promoting these over at AC and there are quite a few owners over there too. This will also create interest.

I personally came by them after trying out a small Tripath amp and building some Fostex homebrew speakers to hear it correctly. I was immediately convinced that the lo-power, hi-eff sound was superior to my ears. This combo destroyed my 8x more expensive combo in some really cool areas, but the speakers were finicky. Thus, I went searching for some speaks that kept what I loved about the Fostexes and smoothed out the response.

I heard some Decware Radials, which were good but limited in the same areas as the Fostexes. My reading indicates hi-eff single-driver speakers are nearly universal in having significant FR issues, especially in the upper mids/lower treble. I called Zu and talked to Sean (owner, and answers the phone!) for about 20 minutes and was convinced to give them a try.

I said these changed what I expect/need from reproduced music. I used to be a bass/soundstage/imaging junkie. I no longer care about those. Dynamics and tone are so much more valuable to me that if I can pinpoint exactly where the sound is coming from but it sounds like THAT, I could care less.

I have spent the last 20 years questing for my perfect sound, endlessly changing components, wires, vibration isolators, CD cleaners, you name it. My itch is gone. I quest for nothing. I am continuing to play around because it's still fun to me, but it isn't for anything that's missing. If I was forced to stop playing with my gear forever, starting today, I'd be OK with it. I would never have been able to say that before and I doubt many 'philes would.
 
Tom Andry

Tom Andry

Speaker of the House
I was immediately convinced that the lo-power, hi-eff sound was superior to my ears
That is the answer I was looking for: the speaker design - single driver, high efficiency. That is the element that drew you to these speakers. I suspected that tube people would also be interested for the efficiency as well. Thanks.
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
What is interesting in the Soundstage review is the tweeter seems to be setup for vertical dispersion instead of horizontal dispersion. I find that odd.

 
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miklorsmith

Full Audioholic
This is not the current model. Forget that review. The MK-IV version has a milled supertweeter, manufactured in-house. For professional review, please refer to the 6moons write-up.
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
the sixmoons review is all subjective. I like reviews that offer at least some objectivity.

I realize the Soundstage review is of an older product, but at least lends some knowledge to what the engineers were after from an objective standpoint.

I am by no way trying to diminish the fact that you like the speakers.
 
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Porcupine

Audioholic Intern
In terms of looks I think that is one of the ugliest speakers I have ever seen. Since this is my personal opinion I am confident in stating this matter lol. :)

In terms of performance I have no idea. But I don't see why this speaker should be so expensive. It's still a 2-way design, just crossed over higher. I don't see the point, then, of going through so much trouble to make the main driver "almost" full-range, which in the end it still isn't.
 
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Privateer

Full Audioholic
In terms of performance I have no idea. But I don't see why this speaker should be so expensive. It's still a 2-way design, just crossed over higher.
What a stupid question? So you think all 2-way design speakers should cost around the same? Do you see the tweeter it uses?
 
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