Zaph benches the Behringer 2031p

[jinjuku]

Check it out. Zaph will be posting more details.

This is another speaker that I recommended at 'A forum that shall not be named' for a budget option that they called junk

My buddy, Jason, was using some Polk TSi 100's in his audio studio (never could figure that out) I picked him up some 2031's (when they were still $160/pair on Amazon). Blew the 100's out of the water.

Great speaker.

 

[GranteedEV]

at 25lbs, i`d hope he can bench it!

 

[ohskigod]

Check it out. Zaph will be posting more details.

This is another speaker that I recommended at 'A forum that shall not be named' for a budget option that they called junk

My buddy, Jason, was using some Polk TSi 100's in his audio studio (never could figure that out) I picked him up some 2031's (when they were still $160/pair on Amazon). Blew the 100's out of the water.

Great speaker.

I would certainly hope a nearfield monitor would edge out Polk's smallest entry level home theater speaker when used in a studio environment. I have argued against the Behringer being touted as a best bang for buck home theater speaker in the past, though if I had a choice between the TSi noted above and the Behringer to use in mixing tracks....I'd probably pick the behringer too.

 

[jinjuku]

I would certainly hope a nearfield monitor would edge out Polk's smallest entry level home theater speaker when used in a studio environment. I have argued against the Behringer being touted as a best bang for buck home theater speaker in the past, though if I had a choice between the TSi noted above and the Behringer to use in mixing tracks....I'd probably pick the behringer too.

Do you know what the definition of near field is? I think you will be quite surprised... Here's a hint: When you see people post that their room is 12 X 10 or 12 X 14 that is most likely 'near field' when taking into consideration typical speaker and listener placement. Even in that case the 2030/2031 or Mackie or KRK etc.. is going to do well.

Now if you are in a 18X23 room well I wouldn't recommend bookshelf speakers of almost any brand.

I have seen arguments against, I just never saw an actual factual reason as to why. Just conjecture and uninformed opinion.

There is a great thread (off the rails currently) at Tech Talk forums about the 2031.

 

[Stereodude]

I have seen arguments against, I just never saw an actual factual reason as to why. Just conjecture and uninformed opinion.

Arguments against using bookshelf speakers in a large room for HT? The facts there are easy. A single 6.5" driver (or whatever midwoofer you're using in a typical bookshelf speaker) can't play the required 105dB at 80Hz cleanly when you're sitting more than several feet away in a large room. As such bookshelf speakers are not suited for HT use in any decent size room of you have any plans of listening near reference.

 

[jinjuku]

BTW, I'm not saying the 2030/2031 are a be all, end all. I am saying, and the measurements along with 3rd party reports of straight up listening sessions (Dr. Geddes for example), that they indeed are a great bang for the buck speaker. They hit above their cost category.

Now there are those that want to seem to argue against the measurements, against the ears on that has been done, all without any actual experience.

What can I say to such a person?

BTW, Jason still has the 2031's, but also put in a RME Firebox 400 (F'ing AWESOME SQ when A/D'ing just stunning) and a pair of really high end Mackie monitors that heads and tails above the 2031p but had to spend a heck of a lot more.

 

[jinjuku]

Arguments against using bookshelf speakers in a large room for HT? The facts there are easy. A single 6.5" driver (or whatever midwoofer you're using in a typical bookshelf speaker) can't play the required 105dB at 80Hz cleanly when you're sitting more than several feet away in a large room. As such bookshelf speakers are not suited for HT use in any decent size room of you have any plans of listening near reference.

May be that you missed this:

Now if you are in a 18X23 room well I wouldn't recommend bookshelf speakers of almost any brand.


10X12 isn't a problem for decent book shelf speakers. Your typical seating would be ~7-9 feet from speaker. Do the math.

The argument is using something like the TSi 100's vs the 2030/2031 in same setup. That is what I haven't seen a compelling argument for.

 

[riker1384]

This is being discussed in several forums and I've posted this elsewhere, but a Harman guy posted measurements on one of the Truth monitors.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/514514-berhinger-truth-b3030a-monitors-2.html

 

[lsiberian]

Arguments against using bookshelf speakers in a large room for HT? The facts there are easy. A single 6.5" driver (or whatever midwoofer you're using in a typical bookshelf speaker) can't play the required 105dB at 80Hz cleanly when you're sitting more than several feet away in a large room. As such bookshelf speakers are not suited for HT use in any decent size room of you have any plans of listening near reference.

On a budget you live with what you can afford besides most folks listen at 60db and find our listening levels loud.

 

[lsiberian]

I would certainly hope a nearfield monitor would edge out Polk's smallest entry level home theater speaker when used in a studio environment. I have argued against the Behringer being touted as a best bang for buck home theater speaker in the past, though if I had a choice between the TSi noted above and the Behringer to use in mixing tracks....I'd probably pick the behringer too.

I would caution you against using label like nearfield monitor to guide speaker evaluation. The Behringers are simply a gem at the price point. IMO there isn't a better speaker at that cost on the market. Besides at the price point you really can't be picky about tower vs bookshelf.

 

[jinjuku]

I guess that shut them up. Have to love opinions with zero experience or some blind hatred for a Pro audio product.

I guess the Econowaves would fall into the same category of ignorance: refusal to get an education about such. Stupidity is what you get when someone refuses to correct their ignorance.

 

[jinjuku]

Alright, now he has measurements with speakers in cabinet:

Linky

"
System response seems smooth enough to be very listenable. Vertical off axis shows that the primary lobe is directly in front of the speaker and the crossover point seems to be around 2500 Hz. Looking at the horizontal off axis and tweeter waveguide infinite baffle plots, I would have hoped for better control over directivity. But who can complain when the price is this low. Overall an excellent system for someone who wants a completed system for cheap."

 

[3db]

Check it out. Zaph will be posting more details.

This is another speaker that I recommended at 'A forum that shall not be named' for a budget option that they called junk

My buddy, Jason, was using some Polk TSi 100's in his audio studio (never could figure that out) I picked him up some 2031's (when they were still $160/pair on Amazon). Blew the 100's out of the water.

Great speaker.

Thanks for the amo!! I'm off to taunt the crowds over at the SH forum.

Dam I hate you!! As good as these speakers measure, they are just too ugly too put in my room. I feel so shallow.