Yamaha RXV vs HTR

[Heckler31]

Hi I am looking at buying a yamaha reveiver from two seperate stores. One is a big box store that sell HTR5760 and the other one sells the RXV450. It is for a home theatre, both would be running the Athena Surround Micras. What is the difference between the two lines?-Any input would be greatly appreciated- Ryan

 

[JeffreyDJ]

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/receivers/RXVvsHTR.htm

That links holds the key to the answers you seek.

 

[Heckler31]

So basically I won't notice any difference is what your saying.

 

[JeffreyDJ]

Only in the physical look of the unit. In sound, no difference.

 

[Nomo]

You will see a huge difference between the HTR-5760 and the RX-V450.
They are not the same. the HTR-5760 is two steps above the RX-V450.
The RXV model that is comparable to the the HTR5760 is actually the RX-V650.
The differences between these two models is mostly cosmetic.
If the two models you are looking at are the same price, go with the HTR5760.
The RX-V450 is pretty much an entry level reciever, where as the 650 is mid level.

 

[Heckler31]

Thanks a lot guys Yup think I will go with HTR model!!

 

[chas_w]

Pure Direct?

Does the 5760 have a Pure Direct mode? The RX-V650 does but I'm not sure if the 5760 has this feature.

 

[mkossler]

Unless I'm missing something pretty basic, the answer is yes - the HTR 5760 supports pure direct mode. I use it for everything but my cable TV input (for which I use 7 channel stereo- it sounds so much better than DDII and DTS Neo I was surprised not to hear more about it in these fora).

The HTR 5760 may not be the cat's meow, but as a first upgrade from HTIB (along with a bevy of Acoustic Research speakers) it ain't half bad. Except for the thrice-damned limited YPAO.

Cheers -

 

[chas_w]

Pure Direct?

Thanks mkossler - I haven't seen these receivers but have looked into them and could never find a Pure Direct button on the pictures of the 5760 but can see one on the photo of the 650. I see the straight/effect button...is there a pure direct button on the receiver somewhere, or is it on the remote?

 

[Shadow_Ferret]

Isn't the difference as simple as the RX is black and the HTR is silver?

 

[Nomo]

I don't believe the HTR-5760 has pure direct.
The difference between Pure Direct and Direct Stereo is minimal.
IMO the RXV line is slightly superior to the HTR line. Another difference between The RX-V650 and HTR-5760 is the lack of zone 2 preouts on the HTR. Granted these are minor things but they do add up. If both are going for the same price, go for the RXV model.

Both models will come in both black and silver but there are cosmetic differences between them. I think the RXV has a cleaner look.

 

[Leprkon]

I don't believe the HTR-5760 has pure direct.
The difference between Pure Direct and Direct Stereo is minimal.

Direct stereo, normal on the lower and mid models for the HTR series do not pass signals through the digital processor, but route it straight to the amplifier section.

Pure Direct does the same and is very common on the higher end Yamaha stuff, but also shuts down the display electronics to limit any residual noise that might be cause by this. It's more a marketing trick than any real value.

Both require an analog input (ie can't use it with an optical input)

 

[Heckler31]

I don't believe the HTR-5760 has pure direct.
The difference between Pure Direct and Direct Stereo is minimal.
IMO the RXV line is slightly superior to the HTR line. Another difference between The RX-V650 and HTR-5760 is the lack of zone 2 preouts on the HTR. Granted these are minor things but they do add up. If both are going for the same price, go for the RXV model.

Both models will come in both black and silver but there are cosmetic differences between them. I think the RXV has a cleaner look.

I will be running some speakers in my kitchen as well what does it mean when they talk about speakers a/B or A +B etc. The speakers I in my kitchne will be used to play music along with ones in the living room ( Front speakers) off the surround speakers? According to the yamaha site the HTR does have "multiroom" capability. I won't be playing cds in the kitchen and watching a movie in the living room, they are basically the same room anyways.

 

[Nomo]

The A/B thing is not what they mean by zone 2 capability. Zone 2 capability gives you the option of, for example, watching a movie in 5.1 and listening to a CD in another room. You don't need a second zone to listen to the same thing in another room. You do need an A+B setting on the reciever. Most of the mid priced recievers will give you that.

 

[mkossler]

I don't believe the HTR-5760 has pure direct.
The difference between Pure Direct and Direct Stereo is minimal.
IMO the RXV line is slightly superior to the HTR line. Another difference between The RX-V650 and HTR-5760 is the lack of zone 2 preouts on the HTR. Granted these are minor things but they do add up. If both are going for the same price, go for the RXV model.

Hmm. Perhaps I am missing something basic, but I have been made to understand that the "straight" processing function on the 5760 is, in fact, pure direct. Now, I can attest that there is no display blanking behavior as described in the post above, but there sure does appear to be a straightforward pass through of the signal as processed by the source.

Well, all things being equal, I certainly would agree with NomoSony's recommendation above - given the choice between the RXV and the HTR at the same price point, I would definitely go for the RXV - for the longer warranty if nothing else.

Cheers-

 

[Nomo]

The difference between straight and the direct modes is that straight sends the signal through the reciever's processors allowing for equalization and speaker level adjustments dictated by YPAO's PEQ or the manually adjusted GEQ while the "Directs" bypass all of this.
I generally use Straight for DVD-A listening and Pure Direct for a good portion of my CDs.

 

[rschleicher]

Yeah, to elaborate a bit, Straight simply turns off Yamaha's effects processing (the extra DSP modes). The YPAO settings are still in effect, as is the bass management you have selected. So, Straight mode is good if you depend upon your subwoofer for decent bass for music.

Pure Direct turns off more things - the YPAO settings (and manual setup menu settings) are disabled, so there is no bass management, speaker level balancing, etc. Therefore no sound from the subwoofer. The tone controls are also bypassed, video switching is turned off, and the display powers down.

But Pure Direct isn't just for analog sources. It still works for digital sources, but only 2-channel digital PCM. So, if you have a digital link from your DVD/CD player, and are playing a regular CD, the two-channel PCM will still be decoded by the receiver, and play in Pure Direct mode. If you feed it a multi-channel digital source, however (Dolby Digital or DTS), it will try to revert to the corresponding analog inputs (just the front channels). There is a warning about playing DTS-encoded CDs, which will just make noise. Bottom line is that it is just for 2-channel stereo, but the source could be digital PCM or 2-ch. analog.

In my set-up, I have two-ch. analog outputs from my DVD/CD player fed to the CD input of the receiver, and a digital link from the DVD/CD player fed to the DVD optical input of the receiver.

If I have a CD playing, I can use Pure Direct in analog form by selecting the CD input, or use Pure Direct in digital PCM mode by selecting the DVD input. I usually use the latter, as the PCM decoders of the receiver are newer than those built into my DVD/CD player. But, I sometimes use the analog path if the CD I'm playing supports HDCD, since my player decodes HDCD, while my receiver does not. In any case, the sonic differences seem minimal between the two versions of Pure Direct, and may even be imaginary! I AM convinced, however, that Pure Direct (done either way) sounds better to my ears than Straight 2-ch. stereo. I also think the little blue light is awful purty!

 

[mkossler]

God, I love this forum.

Well okay, I just really, really like it.

Thanks for the patience with my mis-apprehensions (AKA ignorance), and the explanation. I definitely do not, to the best of my knowledge then, have pure direct on my HTR 5760. Frankly, in my case for now that's okay given the configuration/corrections that the limited YPAO provides for my (acoustically godawful) room and speakers. Once the HT downstairs is finished, then it's the Denon 5805 for me *cough blatant fantasizing cough*.

Seriously, thanks again folks - you really rule.

Cheers-

Matty K.

 

[WilliO]

There is a straight mode on my RX-V2500 receiver but I couldn't find a gay mode. Have anyone seen it? What line of Yamaha receiver has this mode? Thanks.

 

[Dumar]

Ya ... good question. And I've been looking for Bi mode on my receiver!