YAMAHA RXV-2400 REVIEW

gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
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<font color='#000000'>Folks;

I have completed my review and assessment of the Yamaha RXV-2400.  It is currently being peer reviewed by Yamaha to ensure technical correctness and proper product representation.  I should be able to post this by the end of next week.  However, be patient as we are currently upgrading our server and until that has been completed, I may not be able to post the review or any articles for that matter.

I appreciate all of your emails and inquiries as to when the RXV-2400 review will be published and I do appreciate your patience.  Please bear with me a little longer, I think you will find it was worth the wait.

Happy Thanksgiving to all    


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Guest

Guest
<font color='#000000'>Thanks Gene.

The review is right on time as I am currently seeking a replacement receiver. &nbsp;2400 and Z1 are on top of my list. &nbsp;
after some research I lean towards 2400 because of its multiple sub crossover frequency setting, which I assume will make blending in sub easier and more precise, am I right?

Bravo!


Abe</font>
 
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terrynguyen

Audiophyte
<font color='#000000'>Would it be a good combination if i want put together rxv 2400 and Polk audio LSi series speakers? I also read on Yamaha web site that the rxv 2400 has 6 channels input for Multichannels while it says to be 8 channels comparable. How can i connect 8 analog channels or it is not possible?</font>
 
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Guest

Guest
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terrynguyen : I also read on Yamaha web site that the rxv 2400 has 6 channels input for Multichannels while it says to be 8 channels comparable. How can i connect 8 analog channels or it is not possible?
8 channels is possible, I believe you use the 6 dedicated, plus one of the other other analogs (DVD I think) can be assinged for a total of 8 inputs.</font>
 
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SoftEng

Audioholic Intern
<table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>
Guest : <font color='#000000'><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (terrynguyen @ Nov. 27 2003,04:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I also read on Yamaha web site that the rxv 2400 has 6 channels input for Multichannels while it says to be 8 channels comparable. How can i connect 8 analog channels or it is not possible?
8 channels is possible, I believe you use the 6 dedicated, plus one of the other other analogs (DVD I think) can be assinged for a total of 8 inputs.</font></td></tr></table>
<font color='#000000'>Correct, although actually you can assign any analog input to the 7th and 8th channels, not just the DVD one.</font>
 
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Guest

Guest
<font color='#000000'>Gene,

I too am awaiting your RXV2400 review. &nbsp;I'm also caught in the Z1 vs 2400 vs z9 question. &nbsp;I'm currently thinking of doing a HTPC plus the RXV-2400 plus two outlaw 770's. &nbsp;Why the delays on the Z9? &nbsp;What's going down there?

I just might also go for some Anthem amp action as well if I can get a dealer down to the Outlaws price. &nbsp;Not that I need the mega watts, I just like things made in North America (as I would pay extra tax importing to Canada if it's made abroad). &nbsp;My subs are passive and I've got zones a-plenty planned, (the wife want's them, who knew?).

Ya I'm looking at the Z9 as it has all the amp I'll ever need, the real show stopper for me is how the internal interlacer really holds up. &nbsp;If it's good, I'm sold. &nbsp;Nice and easy all in one box, only problem is no DVI support.

I'm looking at the Z1 as it is just dirt cheap right now and great product. &nbsp;Would likley be all I need. &nbsp;Before anyone suggests a another brand for processing forget it, &nbsp;I love cinema DSP. &nbsp;I once thought I did not, but after you hear it tweaked properly, WOW.</font>
 
Khellandros66

Khellandros66

Banned
<font color='#000000'>I've been waiting for a fantastic review of a midpriced Yamaha receiver.

Looking forward to the review

~Bob</font>
 
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SoftEng

Audioholic Intern
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Guest : <font color='#000000'>Before anyone suggests a another brand for processing forget it,  I love cinema DSP.  I once thought I did not, but after you hear it tweaked properly, WOW.</font>
<font color='#000000'>How do you tweak Cinema DSP? &nbsp;Which sound field do you use? &nbsp;Etc?</font>
 
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stiletto pat

Audioholic
<font color='#000000'>AudioUser,

Where are you finding RX-Z1's dirt cheap? &nbsp;I can't find anyone to move off from their price points until the Z-9s start flowing freely.

Thanks,

StilettoPat
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Khellandros66

Khellandros66

Banned
<font color='#000000'>Just got newest Home Theater Mag, their review of the 2400 was more like a two page advertisement. Hardly even any info on the new DSPs, or DACs, plus squat info on the YPAO's real power. &nbsp;And absolutely no comparisons to other receivers.

Overall 1 being an Ad &amp; a 10 being Gene

I give it a 2.5 for being the first of the press.

~Bob</font>
 
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SoftEng

Audioholic Intern
<font color='#000000'>I got the RXV-2400 last week.  Here are my first impressions.

YPAO couldn't be simpler to use.  It detected which speakers I have and their sizes correctly.  It determined that my left front was further away than my right front.  This may be because the front speakers are satellite/woofer systems and the woofer on the left one is a bit further away from my listening position.  With this setting I found that sounds from the center were seeming to be coming more from the left so I opted to set the speaker distances to the same value using the manual setup.

The parametric EQ is interesting.  I set it to optimize for bass accuracy.  In my system it tended to boost low bass by 3-4 db, and cut bass at 350 hz; it also cut treble in the 13khz range, not sure why it was meddling up there since I was optimizing for bass?  On one of my surrounds it had two settings centered at 250hz - this would only make sense if each setting was given a different &quot;q&quot;, or frequency bandwidth - but there is no way to tell, the receiver only tells you center frequency and boost/cut db, not &quot;q&quot;.  BTW, on some forums people are saying that the parametric eq only has 1/3 octave center frequency resolution, this is wrong as I had one case were there was a setting at 200hz and another at 250hz.

Once the parametric eq is set, you cannot change it manually.  You must choose between auto parametric eq and manual graphic eq.  You can switch between parametric and graphic however.  I left the graphic eq at its flat position and switched back and forth to gauge the effectiveness of the parametric eq vs no eq.  I liked the paramtric eq results - more bass, a bit brighter sound.  In comparison the flat eq sounds, well, flat
- not as lively.  However, I did not correct for volume difference between the parametric and flat eq, so that may be affecting my judgement.

I have not tested the auto parametric eq for repeatability - eg if I run the setup over again will I get the same settings?  Since there is no way that I know of to &quot;save&quot; my current settings, I'm reluctant to overwrite them with new ones which I may not like as much.  If anyone knows how to save the configuration of the receiver and restore it later, I'd love to hear how to do it.

A few other points:
The multi-channel input is not associated with one or more input devices as it is on Onkyo and Sony receivers.  Its a global setting, you either are using the multi-channel input or not, no matter which input device is selected.  This makes it hard (impossible?) to set up a programmable remote to switch between devices without requiring the user to manually toggle multi-channel on or off when required.

You don't seem to be able to set the bass and treble from the remote - silly, since this is one setting where you want to be in your listening position when you make it.

The receiver doesn't remember the DSP or decode mode for different signal formats.  On the Onkyo 801, you can set a different listening mode for each different signal type that comes from each input source. For example, if your DVD player
also plays compact discs and the DVD video signal is Dolby Digital and the compact disc signal is PCM, then you can set a different listening mode for each.  For example, you can configure it to use pure stereo decoding for a PCM/Analog input on the DVD player, Dolby Pro Logic II Music for a Dolby Digital 2.0 signal on the DVD player, and THX for a 5.1 Dolby Digital signal on the DVD player.  The Yamaha always selects the last compatible DSP/decoder used on that input.

The receiver does not remember the last setting for Dolby Digital EX and DTS ES - eg Auto, On, or Off - it always resets to &quot;Auto&quot; when powered off.  This means you can't set it to always upsample 5.1 signals to 7.1 signals.

Overall, I really like the Yamaha.</font>
 
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gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
<font color='#000000'>Bob;

Thanks for your confidence
&nbsp;I would have been first to the press on the RXV-2400 review if I could have received feedback from Yamaha prior to publishing. &nbsp;Unfortunately we will have to play the waiting game a bit longer


I think you will be pleased with my 14 page coverage of this receiver.

Software ENG, thanks for your great feeback. &nbsp;When I post my review, we will discuss further.

FYI, Yamaha claims PEQ is 1/3 octave. &nbsp;They also claim 10 band PEQ when in fact I count 7.

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Guest

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<font color='#000000'>stiletto pat , &nbsp;One local retailer (I live in Canada) is now moving the champane Z1's, after a bit of negotiation I got them to go 2100, I know the canadain cost for these units is $1880 I saw the inventory system for a competing store.

I also once upon a time had the chance at a z1 for $1300 USD via audiogon. &nbsp;Which is about on par with the Canadain price after the foriegn tax is applied. &nbsp;You get a better deal importing to the US then in Canada.

softeng, &nbsp;Download the Yamaha Z1 manual and look at about page 50 to 60 and 100 to 110. &nbsp;Lots of good stuff in there. &nbsp;But you just pointed out something to me, &nbsp;I don't know if you can tweak those same parameters in the 2400, &nbsp;I'll have to look into that (bet gene has already).

I also I preferred mono pole speakers + cinema dsp and not dipoles.

Can't wait for the review.</font>
 
Khellandros66

Khellandros66

Banned
<font color='#000000'>14 Pages now thats a review worthy of my full attention! &nbsp;Which is kinda tough do to ADHD &nbsp;


But no worries I will probably read it trhee or four times the day its posted!!!

~Bob</font>
 
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Guest

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<font color='#000000'>Gene,

Any update on when we can read your review?</font>
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
<font color='#000000'>Guys;

It is posted, though not on the front page yet as I am waiting for Yamaha's feedback. I am hoping this will be very soon!  



*******************UPDATE**************************

Yamaha RX-V2400 Review</font>
 
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Guest

Guest
<font color='#000000'>Gene,
I noticed that you said the PEQ is only 7 bands. &nbsp;In the yamaha literature it lists the GEQ as 7 bands, and the PEQ as 10 bands. &nbsp;Any additional comments on this? &nbsp; With either EQ option engaged, did you actually encounter and/or measure power drop(s) across the bands that were altered,,,(ie. 100hz +/- 6db)? &nbsp; I was already aware of the drop in output an amp may have if boosting certain frequencies, and that the attenuation probably won't. &nbsp;I am just curious if you encountered any of these problems while testing the 2400's amp section.

Ross.</font>
 
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not_me

Enthusiast
<font color='#000000'>Hi there Gene,
You said in the review that RMS power in 7 channel mode is cut by half and that you recommend speakers with moderate efficiency (&gt;89dB SPL). ,you mean that it cannot work with less than 90dB SPL?? that is not such a good news.
I was thinking of buying this one but i thought to ask you about my idea of connecting it to 2 loudspeakers with 4 ohm imp.(the mains) and one center and two rear speakers with 6 ohm imp. the rating for all of them is aprox 95dB SPL.
what do you think? could it work or do i need more headroom or power?</font>
 
Yamahaluver

Yamahaluver

Audioholic General
<font color='#0000FF'>not_me,

7x60 is still 480 watts and that should be enough for anyone, majority of today's speakers deliver more than 89db of efficiency and like Yamaha, most receivers are not meant to be driven with all channels simetaneously.</font>
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
Administrator
<font color='#000000'>Darn, you guys shouldn't have seen this review yet ;) &nbsp;I am still waiting on Yamaha to review it before posting it on front page.

Let me try to address some concerns listed here and we will expand upon once I announce the review on the homepage.

1) The literature does say 10 band PEQ, but I count only seven as can be seen in the pics of their settings within the review (page3). &nbsp;

2) Power &nbsp;- The all channels driven power test is NOT a realistic real world scenario. &nbsp;It is a good guide however to make direct product comparisions. &nbsp;Note also that most of the magazines that use this testing method also hold the line voltage constant. &nbsp;They do this because most power amps and receivers use unregulated power supplies for the amp sections. &nbsp;Thus holding the line voltage constant (another unrealistic real world scenario) is how they can measure report inflated power #'s. &nbsp;I will eventually be authoring a paper on this.

Yamahaluver is correct, in most scenarios, people don't need mega amounts of power, especially when dealing with speaker sensitivities above 90dB in medium sized living rooms. &nbsp;

As I noted in the review, the RXV-2400 had no problem driving seven 4 ohm speakers (89dB SPL) in my living room. &nbsp;Only when I drove the amps real hard did I start hearing a bit of edginess and compression. &nbsp;For most peoples set-up this shouldn't be a problem.

It sounds like you are using 95dB SPL sensitive 4 ohm speakers all around. &nbsp;This should work out just fine. &nbsp;Don't forget that those speakers are 6dB more efficient than the ones I was using in my set-up, thus you will be using about 1/4 of the capability of the amp section I was assuming the same listening levels and room metrics!

Also don't forget somewhere down the road, you can always preamp out the unit for a BIGGER amp and it can serve you as a great Pre/Pro rivaling many costlier separates.

Stay tuned for additional coverage on this product coming soon
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