Yamaha RX-Z9 or Denon 5805

[Brian JB]

I'm thinking about Yamaha's RX-Z9 or Denon's due out, the 5805.

In principle, should there be a significant audible/sonic advantage going with Denon's 5 channels bi-amped (fronts, center & surrounds) to Paradigm's Studio 100s, cc 570 & ADPs? Why or Why not?

For all with separates experience, what would you recommend to drive the Paradigms?

Brian

 

[toquemon]

Have you read the reviews?; both are outstanding receivers and i'm sure they will outperform many "high-end" separates. Try to hear them both with the same speakers in controled conditions, maybe in your house.

 

[Yamahaluver]

As toquemon said, both are superb, it all depends on what you need and what your speakers and ears eventualy like. I own the RX-Z9 and can tell you that the amp section is as good as the seperate power amp that I own.

 

[Brian JB]

Thanks for the replies. Sort of confirms my assessment of the receivers.

Just wondering if Denon's 5805 has an advantage compared to Yamaha's RX-Z9 due to Denon's ability to configure & assign 10 channels of amplification to bi-amp capable speakers in a 5.1 configuration?

Should bi-amping make a significant difference in overall sound quality, lets say to Paradigm's Studio 100s, CC 570 & ADPs?

Brian

 

[Brian JB]

Is bi-amping the way of the future for flagship receivers. If so why?

Also, will we see Yamaha, Pioneer... follow Denon's lead or is this just a useless feature Denon's marketing team & engineers dreamed up?

Brian

 

[petermwilson]

Hi,
I don't quite understand your either or. These are horses of a different colour even though their both thoroughbreds.

I have an upgraded 5800. I do have a second zone but instead of running wiring and cabeling (Not cheap) I have my first reciever an Onkyo 575 handel that zone. to-days cost of a reciever like that might be $300.

If you have video scaling needs the 5805 advertises Faroudja upscaling everything to 1080i through component but there are cheaper ways of doing it. I really appreciate the 2 sets of analogs for dvd-a and sacd.

Starting from scatch if I had decided Denon was the way to go, and I had multiple zones I'd look either 2 used 5803s or a 5803 and maybee a HTIB for the second zone.

I've thought about when HDMI takes care of all the cabling (audio/video) but long runs of decent speaker wire is not Wife friendly. Its a pain to run and it can be expensive.

Don't get me wrong I think the 5805 is a marvel of quality engineering. It just takes a rich engineer to get the most out of it.

I'm not taking anything away from the Yammy either as it does all the important stuff well also. I just don't own one so can't give an enlightened opinion.

Peter m.

 

[Brian JB]

Bi-Amping

Let me clarify to reach some sort of logical explanation/understanding.

Taking brand loyalty, cost & features aside and only looking at sound quality due to bi-amping or not biamping with:
1. Both receivers claiming 170 wpc with similar electronic components.
2. Only one of the receivers that can be configured to bi-amp four channels to drive front speakers for 2-channel stereo or all 10 channels in 5.1 multichannel mode.

The question is, will the receiver that can bi-amp provide better sound? Why?

 

[toquemon]

I don't think so. I've read that the benefit of bi-amping is obtained only with two different dedicated amps for each driver. If the Denon can do it, surely the Yamaha will do it too.

 

[Yamahaluver]

Bi-amping has always been a very good idea but only when seperate amps and high quality external crossovers are used.

 

[Votrax]

The Yamaha has 7x170W & 2x50W so it would be unable to bi-amp 5 channels. The Denon on the other hand has 10 discreet output amplifiers at 170W each so it is able bi-amp 5 channels. Granted it wouldn't be as good as 10 mono blocks at the same power, but unless your showing a movie in an auditorium I think the Denon would be sufficient.

 

[Mantis]

They both are excellent receivers. But for the money I would go seperates.

I'm more into Sound quality then features.

Dan

 

[Unregistered]

Separates

IYHOs, what separates provide similiar or better "sound quality" than the Yammie or Denon?

 

[gene]

They both are excellent receivers. But for the money I would go seperates.

Don't automatically assume separates will give you better sound than flagship receivers. In more cases than not, receivers in the same price class as separates alternatives offer superior processing, more usability, lower noise and in some cases better performance.

While the AVR-5805 does seem outrageously priced, it does have very interesting new room correction device licensed by Audyssey. I don't want to let the cat out of the bag prematurely, but if this system does what I think it will, it will be a step forward in the right direction that no current room correction device is capable of.

 

[Votrax]

Like Gene said. These flagship receivers are the quality of separates in one neat package. They take up less room than separates and reduce the number of interconnects as well. If you're looking for some awe factor then separates are for you.

 

[3db]

Please backup your statement with examples of seperates that have a higher noise floor than these megapriced receivers. I also don't want to confuse the terms performance with features.. I have hard time wrapping my mind around receivers outperforming sonically, similar priced seperates.

Don't automatically assume separates will give you better sound than flagship receivers. In more cases than not, receivers in the same price class as separates alternatives offer superior processing, more usability, lower noise and in some cases better performance.

While the AVR-5805 does seem outrageously priced, it does have very interesting new room correction device licensed by Audyssey. I don't want to let the cat out of the bag prematurely, but if this system does what I think it will, it will be a step forward in the right direction that no current room correction device is capable of.