Yamaha RX-V2600 Product of the year 2005 !

[mike c]

thanks GlocksRock!

 

[mike c]

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av/products/comparison/index3_2.html?pName=rxv2600

ignore the typo: 180 x 7 RMS (yamaha kinda likes to err in the side of exaggeration)

I figure that the 1600 would be the same price as the 2500. I think im going for the 1600 [if it's available in "ti" color] instead of the 2600 ...

so how good is the GUI and upscaling of the 2600?

 

[Reignman]

Yes, the receiver can take 480p (or 480i) from your DVD player over component video and upscale it to 720p or 1080i over the HDMI connection to your TV.

While the upconversion feature is helpful in smoothing out a lower resolution signal, it cannot create resolution from nothing. Thus, most users will be better off with an HD cable or satellite box with a component video or HDMI (480p, 720p, or 1080i) connection to the receiver instead of the S-Video (480i) connection described by one of the posters above.

Will or Does the VSX-72TXV do the same upconversion and what other new receivers can do this at this time?

 

[southeastnavy]

Yam RXV2600 is one of a kind!

The RXV2600 is the only one of its kind on the market. There are three main processing modes pertinent to this discussion; deinterlacing, upconverting and upscaling.

Deinterlacing - Progressive scan, same thing. Takes a 480i signal and processes it into a 480p output.

Upconverting - Processes an incoming 480i/480p signal so that it can be transferred out along a digital cable (HDMI/DVI).

Upscaling - Processes an incoming signal to a high-definition output. Not just making it HDMI/DVI compatable, but actually improving the signal to a HD format (720p/1080i).

The RXV2600 is the only Rcvr on the market which upscales. Also, it has HDMI switching. ** Note ** It does no processing of HDMI inputs, it merely passes through the signal. So if you are not using an upscaling DVD player, you will WANT to use the Component video cables. That way, your RXV2600 will detect and process the 480p signal to 720p/1080i.

As for sound quality improvement, it is the DACs! The 2600 uses PCM 1791 Burr-Brown DACs for each channel, an significant improvement over the 2500 processing.

The Denon is more expensive by far ($900 more) and does not upSCALE. It does upconvert and uses the same DACs.

The Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV is $100 cheaper and does not upSCALE. It only upconverts 480p and uses the same DACs. It does have the added bonus of an IPOD connection, if that means anything to anyone.

 

[Audio1]

southeastnavy,

I am torn between the Denon Avr-4306 and the Yamaha 2600 and price is not a factor between the two. I also am using external amplification. So except for I-Pod capability and Denon link vs. no IEE-1394 on the Yamaha what would you recommend?

My local salesman feels that overall the Denon has a better pre-amp and despite the processing capability and video ability of the Yamaha he feels that the Denon will sound better. The problem is that I do not know how much real world experience he has here with the two.

Your input/recommendation would be greatly appreciated given your place of employment and experience.

Thank You,

 

[Reignman]

The RXV2600 is the only one of its kind on the market. There are three main processing modes pertinent to this discussion; deinterlacing, upconverting and upscaling.

Deinterlacing - Progressive scan, same thing. Takes a 480i signal and processes it into a 480p output.

Upconverting - Processes an incoming 480i/480p signal so that it can be transferred out along a digital cable (HDMI/DVI).

Upscaling - Processes an incoming signal to a high-definition output. Not just making it HDMI/DVI compatable, but actually improving the signal to a HD format (720p/1080i).

The RXV2600 is the only Rcvr on the market which upscales. Also, it has HDMI switching. ** Note ** It does no processing of HDMI inputs, it merely passes through the signal. So if you are not using an upscaling DVD player, you will WANT to use the Component video cables. That way, your RXV2600 will detect and process the 480p signal to 720p/1080i.

As for sound quality improvement, it is the DACs! The 2600 uses PCM 1791 Burr-Brown DACs for each channel, an significant improvement over the 2500 processing.

The Denon is more expensive by far ($900 more) and does not upSCALE. It does upconvert and uses the same DACs.

The Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV is $100 cheaper and does not upSCALE. It only upconverts 480p and uses the same DACs. It does have the added bonus of an IPOD connection, if that means anything to anyone.

Thank you for that insight it made all the difference! Let me tell you I went to my local Sound Advice and heard the Yama 2600 with all there speakers they had there and they all sounded awesome. I got it for 1100.00 with taxes...I think I got a great deal.. A little tip for future buyers.. go late and during the beginning of the week and when there slow and also bring cash in separate amounts. I told him that I only have 1100.00 cash on me and he said that he would do it for that.. Which I really had that amount only." Wohoo!!!

 

[RalphM]

Quote:
Originally Posted by southeastnavy
The RXV2600 is the only one of its kind on the market. There are three main processing modes pertinent to this discussion; deinterlacing, upconverting and upscaling.

Deinterlacing - Progressive scan, same thing. Takes a 480i signal and processes it into a 480p output.

Upconverting - Processes an incoming 480i/480p signal so that it can be transferred out along a digital cable (HDMI/DVI).

Upscaling - Processes an incoming signal to a high-definition output. Not just making it HDMI/DVI compatable, but actually improving the signal to a HD format (720p/1080i).

The RXV2600 is the only Rcvr on the market which upscales. Also, it has HDMI switching. ** Note ** It does no processing of HDMI inputs, it merely passes through the signal. So if you are not using an upscaling DVD player, you will WANT to use the Component video cables. That way, your RXV2600 will detect and process the 480p signal to 720p/1080i.

As for sound quality improvement, it is the DACs! The 2600 uses PCM 1791 Burr-Brown DACs for each channel, an significant improvement over the 2500 processing.

The Denon is more expensive by far ($900 more) and does not upSCALE. It does upconvert and uses the same DACs.

The Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV is $100 cheaper and does not upSCALE. It only upconverts 480p and uses the same DACs. It does have the added bonus of an IPOD connection, if that means anything to anyone

I just want to add that the above post from southeastnavy is incredibly informative, concise, and cuts to the quick of what those of us who are "lay people"in the electronics world are trying to understand in order to make intelligent buying decisions. I, for one, have been researching receivers for the last couple of months by reading professional reviews, consumer reviews, reading several different forums, etc. These sources have up to now only succeeded in giving only bits and pieces of information, and never enough to allow a full understanding of "switching", "upconversion", "upscaling", as well as an undestanding of exactly how thses processes differ. I have gone back and forth about whether to go with the 2600 or the 2500, and now I know that my ambivalence has been due solely to lack of clear understanding on my part, due in turn to lack availability of clear information. But now with this very clear, concise, and complete post, that covers all pertinent information needed without being unnecessarily technical, obtuse, or verbose, it is clear that I want to go with the 2600. Thank you , thank you, and thank you southeastnavy for finally providing, in one nice little tidy post all the information that I have been unable fo find in 2 months of research.

 

[tritonstudio]

Navy ! you made a great summary.
I had experienced in the proaudio world, but within the month or so I try to get a decent receiver for home use, the rx-v2600 is hand down among the same class receivers. This new receiver will be useful audio & video in many way down the road.

 

[southeastnavy]

News Flash!!!

Just in from Yamaha, the RXV2600 2nd Audio zone is setup to use the same pair of amps ordinarily used by the Surround speakers. So, if you setup a 3 zone audio system using the 2600 to power all three zones, you lose the rear channel speakers in your main surround sound setup. Since I don't use any seperate zones powered by the 2600, I never knew this. It's important to know if you have any future plans to use 2nd/3rd zone capabilities of this rcvr.

Work arounds --

1. If you're only using a 2nd zone, dedicate the "Presence amps" as the power sources.

2. If you are using three zones, use the preamp outputs for 2nd zone and the "Presence amps" for 3rd zone. Of course, you'll need an external amplifier.

 

[AVRsyntax]

Excellent explanation on upscaling etc, its hard to understand the literature at times, however I understood that the Denon 4306 did upscale analogue signals to HDMI. Are you sure it does not as the spec appears to indicate that it does?