Yamaha RX-A3000 vs. HTR-6060

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kortex

Audioholic Intern
At first glance you probably think this that there is no comparison. You may be right. Anyway, one of the two HDMI ports stopped working on my HTR-6060 and newegg had the RX-A3000 for $800 off. I spent too much but am mostly happy with it. I was expecting it to be a lot louder (more balls) than the HTR-6060. It doesn't appear to get any louder. The sound quality is notably better. Anyone have thoughts on this? I am using 8ohm speakers. My questions are:

1) Why wouldn't it be as loud when it should have 35wpc more than the HTR-6060?

Any feedback would help.

EDIT: Removed two questions. Searched forums and obtained answers.
 
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avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
Not sure why it wouldn't be as loud, maybe the way the YPAO has it's settings or an input trim is set lower? Also, not saying you did but some directly compare the displayed volume levels between units and that is rarely equal.

Steve
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
At first glance you probably think this that there is no comparison. You may be right. Anyway, one of the two HDMI ports stopped working on my HTR-6060 and newegg had the RX-A3000 for $800 off. I spent too much but am mostly happy with it. I was expecting it to be a lot louder (more balls) than the HTR-6060. It doesn't appear to get any louder. The sound quality is notably better. Anyone have thoughts on this? I am using 8ohm speakers. My questions are:

1) Why wouldn't it be as loud when it should have 35wpc more than the HTR-6060?

Any feedback would help.

EDIT: Removed two questions. Searched forums and obtained answers.
That's because it would take two times the output power of the 6060 to achieve twice the loudness level. However, You do notice that the A3000 sounds better at the same loudness levels than your former 6060. That is becuase of the extra 35 watts/channel which would suggest that the A3000 isn't working nearly as hard as your 6060 did at those levels.
 
timoteo

timoteo

Audioholic General
3dB is partially correct. But actually you need to double your power just to get an increase of 3dB. "Twice as loud" is a 10dB increase. At 35watt difference is most likely not audible. Your maybe getting 1dB higher max volume which is pretty much the smallest noticable difference in volume.

Most likely, the difference in quality is due to the better DACs & use of higher quality parts.

The electronics end of a system contributes the least to the actual sound. In fact a receiver shouldnt change the sound at all if its good. A lesser tier avr can color the sound & add or subtract from the original material. So your older Yammie was probably slightly degrading the sound & your new Yammie is cleaner/clearer.

Most people think that upgrading a receiver should improve their speakers in a noticable way when in fact the improvements are typically very minimal if at all. Its the feature set & quality of components that increases the price & model. Sound quality improvement?...yes but not much!

Your RX-A3000 is a great receiver!!! You've made a great choice. It will last you a long time & is very "future proof". So make sure its all setup correctly, that you tap into all its features & enjoy your upgrade. Next time you have extra $ upgrade your sub or speakers. Those can give you a huge improvement in actual audio quality!!!
 
avnetguy

avnetguy

Audioholic Chief
Most people think that upgrading a receiver should improve their speakers in a noticable way when in fact the improvements are typically very minimal if at all. Its the feature set & quality of components that increases the price & model. Sound quality improvement?...yes but not much!
IMO, one exception to the above (no so in the OP's case) is when upgrading from an AVR without room corrections to one that has corrections.

Steve
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
3dB is partially correct. But actually you need to double your power just to get an increase of 3dB. "Twice as loud" is a 10dB increase. At 35watt difference is most likely not audible. Your maybe getting 1dB higher max volume which is pretty much the smallest noticable difference in volume.
Its been a while since I looked at logarithms and I'm starting to forget.. :eek:
 
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kortex

Audioholic Intern
Thank you all for your replies. They actually make sense to me. I suppose 35wpc is really not that much more. Honestly, the difference in sound was quite dramatic to my (and my wife's--this I couldn't believe) ears. Right now I'm running Paradigm Studio 40 v.2s as fronts and the matching center as the...center. I need to find rears to complete the setup. Damn paradigm for making their rears so expensive; I'll probably have to go with something else.
 

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