Yamaha A1000 - 2nd Sub not configuring?

[Mejazz]

I recently replaced a HK 335 with the A1000 and am not impressed. Ran YPAO couple of time in absolute quite house and still it does not sound as good or powerful. I have turned up the Volume Trim to +6. My main issue for now is that i have dual subs and have connected them to Sub1 and Sub2 pre-outs, it still only shows SUB1 on the receiver display - doesn't matter what surround mode is selected. Though it output sound through both, why it never ever lit up SUB2? There is no option in setup for a Sub2 either; its only to USE a sub or not. Has anyone ever seen the SUB2 light up, do i have a faulty unit?

 

[3db]

I recently replaced a HK 335 with the A1000 and am not impressed. Ran YPAO couple of time in absolute quite house and still it does not sound as good or powerful. I have turned up the Volume Trim to +6. My main issue for now is that i have dual subs and have connected them to Sub1 and Sub2 pre-outs, it still only shows SUB1 on the receiver display - doesn't matter what surround mode is selected. Though it output sound through both, why it never ever lit up SUB2? There is no option in setup for a Sub2 either; its only to USE a sub or not. Has anyone ever seen the SUB2 light up, do i have a faulty unit?

Reread the manual and if still in doubt, email Yamaha's customer supprt. Theyr are very fast to respond and will help you get it right.

 

[GranteedEV]

I recently replaced a HK 335 with the A1000 and am not impressed. Ran YPAO couple of time in absolute quite house and still it does not sound as good or powerful. I have turned up the Volume Trim to +6. My main issue for now is that i have dual subs and have connected them to Sub1 and Sub2 pre-outs, it still only shows SUB1 on the receiver display - doesn't matter what surround mode is selected. Though it output sound through both, why it never ever lit up SUB2? There is no option in setup for a Sub2 either; its only to USE a sub or not. Has anyone ever seen the SUB2 light up, do i have a faulty unit?

Both subs are being treated as a single unit. Although it has two sub outputs, it really treats them like one combined sub.

If you wanted discrete sub outputs, you need a receiver with Audyssey SubEQ, like the Denon 4311.

Else, get a miniDSP to separate the sub outputs into discrete channels, and manually set them up.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Ran YPAO couple of time in absolute quite house and still it does not sound as good or powerful.

Just use your A1000 without any room corrections (YPAO).

I don't use any room corrections. Shoot, it sound great.

 

[timoteo]

It is incorrect to say th A1000 treats both sub outs as a single sub. YPAO has individual parametric EQ settings for each sub out. You need to go into Configuration & change the subs to either "Front&Back" or "Left&Right". You probably have it set to Mono. This WILL treat them as 1 sub. I suspect you have a few things wrong if you arent getting great sound because that is a very nice reciever.

Hope you figure it all out. If you cant then just call Yamaha at their Buena Park location. Every time ive called i get over the phone personal help right away.

 

[avnetguy]

It is incorrect to say th A1000 treats both sub outs as a single sub. YPAO has individual parametric EQ settings for each sub out. You need to go into Configuration & change the subs to either "Front&Back" or "Left&Right". You probably have it set to Mono. This WILL treat them as 1 sub. I suspect you have a few things wrong if you arent getting great sound because that is a very nice reciever.

Hope you figure it all out. If you cant then just call Yamaha at their Buena Park location. Every time ive called i get over the phone personal help right away.

I believe the A1000 has mono sub outputs and only the A2000/A3000 lines have separate configurations for two subs.

Steve

 

[timoteo]

The A1000 being different in the way it treats its dual sub outs compared to the A2000/A3000 could be true. I thought the top 3 were the same in that department but i could be wrong. Sorry if i am wrong. I WAS suprised to see the A1000 only has Glogal bass management so although id be bummed to hear it doesnt have true .2 operation i wouldnt be suprised now.

 

[avnetguy]

I guess the marketing people have to draw the "feature line" somewhere giving the higher models the few extra bells and whistles. I don't think most will find this a real limitation anyways and you can always externally (DSP1124) PEQ the sub(s) if you require it.

Steve

 

[3db]

I've sent an email to Yamaha cusotmer's support. I will post the result as soon as I get an answer. ...Doing some thinking, isn't the version of YPAO in the three top tier receivers the same? If so, it makes no sense that they would not eq each sub seperately for the A1000 like they do in their top 2 models.

 

[avnetguy]

The YPAO is slightly different in the 3 models. Going by their website, the A1000 does not have "reflected sound control" (A2000/A3000) or "angle measurement" (A3000) with their YPAO.

Steve

 

[3db]

The YPAO is slightly different in the 3 models. Going by their website, the A1000 does not have "reflected sound control" (A2000/A3000) or "angle measurement" (A3000) with their YPAO.

Steve

I read that after i posted my response on here while waiting for Yamaha to get back to me. Their product comparison function is a little difficult to follow. They did get back BTW but mis interpreted the question.

 

[3db]

Here's their answer..

Hi,

Both subwoofers get the same mono audio signal from the amplifier. They are not calibrated independently and
the adjustment for YPAO is identical for both subwoofers.

Regards

Yamaha Technical Support Team


I guess you have to move up Yamaha's model line.

 

[smurphy522]

The YPAO is slightly different in the 3 models. Going by their website, the A1000 does not have "reflected sound control" (A2000/A3000) or "angle measurement" (A3000) with their YPAO.

Steve

You got it. On the 29th of July 2011 Yamaha confirmed that their explanation of the A1000's YPAO details on their website was incorrect, see reply the to my email asking them to confirm.

"Scott,
Thank you for pointing that out, the RX-A3000 is the only receiver that does the Angle Measurement. We are going to re-evaluate the spec's listed and correct it.


Best Regards,
The Yamaha Customer Support Team
P.S. Please do not remove the " [ref: " in the Email Subject when replying to this email.
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Receivers [AV and Stereo]
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On the RX-A1000 the features list the YPAOI as the following:
YPAO-Reflected Sound Control sound optimization with angle measurement and multi-point measurement
-DSP Effect Normalization
-Room Acoustic Echo
-Controlling reflection and echo

However it is the only place I see the angle measurement and other details (other than multi point measurement). The manual (page 39) does not state the function of speaker angle measurement or echo cancellation are these advanced YPAO features indeed present in the RX-A1000 unit? I note that the manual for the RX-A3000 unit specifically calls the angle measurement out and thus have no doubt it is a present feature. Thank you."

 

[Mejazz]

Yeah i also got similr reply from Yamaha:

"That receiver does not have separate sub controls and it will not light up in the display, it is a typo."

Thank you all for your feedback. You bunch been very active compared to the AVSForum, i am gonna leverage that and post my next issue as a new topic which is a real bummer