Wow, this disturbed me

[Audioholics]

It was eye-opening to me, but I'm not coming up with any ideas to make it more humane... and I'm not about to go Vegan...

 

[majorloser]

That reminds me...

they just opened up a Chick-fil-A down the road.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

they just opened up a Chick-fil-A down the road.

Only thing I miss about FL is the YaYa's Chicken, and all the awesome Greek food.

 

[adwilk]

 

[ivseenbetter]

Wow, there are a few real uncompassionate folks around here. I feel bad for those folks that have such cold look on life. I just assume you must have shut yourself off from other feelings beside compassion.

Anyway, there is always another way. To tell me that taking a baby chick and putting it into a meat grinder is the most humane way to end their lives is bs. That is the easiest way to end their lives. I also don't buy this balogna about how much more expensive it would be to either find some other use for the chicks or a better way to put them down in a more compassionate way. Show me proof it would cost so much more. Sure, there may be more cost associated, but spreading that cost across their entire product may only be a rise in price by a nickel...oh, and the idea that putting that silly sticker on there would raise the price is ridiculous. Again, since this would be a mass produced item you are looking at fractions of a penny per product. The end result is a very insignificant raise in price.

I'm not a liberal and I don't expect to become a vegan, this is just a matter of right vs wrong. It isn't right to meaninglessly destroy life with a meat grinder. I'm not an enterprising man so I don't know what the solution is...but I am a betting man and I am willing to bet that there is a solution out there somewhere. Ultimately I don't expect things to change. People will continue doing what they do. I will continue to buy these eggs, but I honestly don't know how a person can look themselves in the mirror when they make their living by tossing baby chicks in a meat grinder. A cold mind and cold heart like that only needs the right motivation to start coming up with reasons to start grinding up members of their own species.

I also wonder how many of the folks who have made comments about how they don't see anything wrong with this have ever worked on a farm? I have, and you gotta do what you gotta do when it comes time to slaughter your favorite pig but it isn't done in a way that is so non-challant as a meat grinder.

 

[mtrycrafts]

...Anyway, there is always another way. To tell me that taking a baby chick and putting it into a meat grinder is the most humane way to end their lives is bs. That is the easiest way to end their lives. I also don't buy this balogna about how much more expensive it would be to either find some other use for the chicks or a better way to put them down in a more compassionate way. Show me proof it would cost so much more. Sure, there may be more cost associated, but spreading that cost across their entire product may only be a rise in price by a nickel...oh, and the idea that putting that silly sticker on there would raise the price is ridiculous. Again, since this would be a mass produced item you are looking at fractions of a penny per product. The end result is a very insignificant raise in price.

I'm not a liberal and I don't expect to become a vegan, this is just a matter of right vs wrong. It isn't right to meaninglessly destroy life with a meat grinder. I'm not an enterprising man so I don't know what the solution is...but I am a betting man and I am willing to bet that there is a solution out there somewhere. Ultimately I don't expect things to change. People will continue doing what they do. I will continue to buy these eggs, but I honestly don't know how a person can look themselves in the mirror when they make their living by tossing baby chicks in a meat grinder. A cold mind and cold heart like that only needs the right motivation to start coming up with reasons to start grinding up members of their own species.

I also wonder how many of the folks who have made comments about how they don't see anything wrong with this have ever worked on a farm? I have, and you gotta do what you gotta do when it comes time to slaughter your favorite pig but it isn't done in a way that is so non-challant as a meat grinder.

I didn't bring op the cost issues but I did ask for acceptable alternatives. Obviously the male chicks are not a commercially viable product so it is a waste product of the industry. the association would love to give the live ones away and let others deal with it but apparently there are no takes.

Sleeping gas before destruction? Not like we are torturing them.
While not exactly the same, why do we allow hunting? In in some case for the sport of it? Certainly not a humane way to kill, yet a certain segment go head over hill for it.

Obviously the universe doesn't care one way or the other

 

[mike c]

re OP: i did not know that. that was informative.

another way of disposing the male chicks - serve them as chicklets? (no, not the gum ...) we have boxes of chicken wings, legs and stuff ... why not chicklets? [something like chicken nuggets made from male chicks] [[they can even put on the box: we save these chicks from the grinder so you can have nuggets!]]

i feel for the chicks, i really do ... but they're yummy. but rest assured, with this new information, i will think about them everytime i chomp on a chicken.

but i'm thinking we don't do that here in the Philippines. i've always wondered why some of the chicken i eat are smaller than the others

 

[mtrycrafts]

... She was told (paraphrasing) “If you won’t dissect the rat, you’re out of the program”. What are peoples feeling on that matter?

I am sure it wasn't a live rat, correct? I have no idea. If it was dead, I see no issues with it, especially that they cannot give consent like humans can beforehand.
Have you seen the exhibition of the 'Human Body?' Or some such name, varying degrees of body dissections. Really interesting.

 

[mtrycrafts]

...
The thing is, if she were presented with a human cadaver (assuming the person had made provisions for the body to be used in such a way) she wouldn’t have issue, and since she would be working with people anyway…

Maybe that was stage 3? After all, you start small and work up the chain.

 

[mtrycrafts]

My wife recently got her Doctorate in physical therapy. She showed me her cadaver when she was in school. That was SO creepy.

If you ever get the chance to see the exhibition I mentioned above, something like 'The Human Body' with different parts showing at different degrees, try to see it. Blood vessels, skin, other parts. Amazing body.

 

[markw]

I'm about as much an animal lover as you'll fine but I'm also a pragmatic omnivore. As far as I can tell, death is instantaneous and, by definition, painless.

If someone has a more humane alternative, I'm sure they would be open to suggestions, but "something else" really doesn't make it.

But, I always did wonder what Chicken McNuggets are made of...

 

[mtrycrafts]

...

For the record, I am throwing some live lobsters in hot boiling water tonight

You mean you will torture it before eating it?

 

[mike c]

But, I always did wonder what Chicken McNuggets are made of...

i've always thought they were made with breast parts. but they're too yummy to be breasts IMO maybe they're mixed with something else.

chicken popcorn?

 

[mtrycrafts]

And you know this how?

I'll tell you what, my Senegal Parrot sure as hell has feelings. She feels pain when she gets hurt. I can tell when she's happy, sad or angry. Bottom line is, it's a living thing and deserves a little respect. I understand that it's part of our food chain, but animals don't have to suffer to feed us.

People have the right and can choose to NOT get pregnant. These chickens didn't ask to be born.

Do we know how much the chicks suffer? Apparently the approving boards say this too swift. Talking about living things, much of the planet is a living thing, right, including the trees, etc

 

[mtrycrafts]

As a conservative I certainly have a problem with anyone who abuses and mistreats animals. However, I have no problem taking out a deer and chopping it into steaks. We are supposed manage the animals not mistreat, abuse or torture them. So long as the animal suffers the least amount that is possible during it's slaughter, I don't have an issue.

How about mistreating humans? Like our enemies?

Since you brought up 'taking out a deer' is that by hunting? Is a bullet so humane, especially if it isn't that perfect shot?
I doubt those chicks suffer in that quick process and I doubt they have precognition of their fate.

 

[mtrycrafts]

... but they're too yummy to be breasts IMO

You mean you have had un-yummy breast before?

 

[Seth=L]

As part of the chain of living things humans eat meat (vegans excluded). Tigers also eat meat, bears eat meat, house cats eat meat, horses eat hay. If a lion doesn't finish the course, the hyenas will finish it off.

People are lazy and greedy, this is what separates humans from these other meat eating animals. Because we are lazy and greedy we have a grinder in which we can throw chicks into that we apparently aren't economically viable. The lazy part is that we have an easy access grinder.

In a democracy like ours the people make all the decisions, the American population as a whole decided it wanted cheaper eggs (greedy). Do eggs need to be as cheap as they are? I don't think so. If we all didn't go out for dinner every night spending a disproportionate amount of funds on crappy service from people that hate their jobs we could easily afford to purchase eggs and other groceries that can be prepared at home at a far lower cost even if it all cost 50% more than it does now.

Beware, it's almost 6:00 a.m. and you are in for a rude awakening. We turned our economy into a service center overnight. Actual work was replaced with low wage service jobs. But wait, sometime during the night your service job became a career. Ever heard the term "career waitress"? That didn't used to be a career, it used to be a job.

So congratulations America, because you wanted to sit on your duff in a crowded restaurant instead of eating at home you encouraged United Egg Producers to find a way to reduce the cost of your eggs, since you where all out of money at the end of the week.

Also, there's nothing progressive about a service economy. "Our country gains more strength on the heals of waitresses and tour guides", oh get a map and go explore. You don't need some sharp dressed buffoon to tell you which window to look out of.

 

[ivseenbetter]

re OP: i did not know that. that was informative.

another way of disposing the male chicks - serve them as chicklets? (no, not the gum ...) we have boxes of chicken wings, legs and stuff ... why not chicklets? [something like chicken nuggets made from male chicks] [[they can even put on the box: we save these chicks from the grinder so you can have nuggets!]]

i feel for the chicks, i really do ... but they're yummy. but rest assured, with this new information, i will think about them everytime i chomp on a chicken.

but i'm thinking we don't do that here in the Philippines. i've always wondered why some of the chicken i eat are smaller than the others

Not opposed to that solution. The way we do it here it just seems senseless...but it sounds like the Phillippines has it worked out to a point that has created a market for cooking these little guy up...and although they still end up dead, it doesn't seem pointless anymore.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

How about mistreating humans? Like our enemies?

Since you brought up 'taking out a deer' is that by hunting? Is a bullet so humane, especially if it isn't that perfect shot?
I doubt those chicks suffer in that quick process and I doubt they have precognition of their fate.

I would treat a deer better than a terrorist, but hey that's just me. A bullet is the quickest way possible to take a deer and I would think less painful than an arrow.

I was watching a hunting show a few weeks back and they were shooting coyotes somewhere on a ranch. That actually bothered me. I know the farmers need them thinned out, but I just did not see the point. It was like shooting stray dogs. That type of hunting, if you can even call it hunting, I don't like.

 

[darien87]

If you ever get the chance to see the exhibition I mentioned above, something like 'The Human Body' with different parts showing at different degrees, try to see it. Blood vessels, skin, other parts. Amazing body.

Seen it twice. Even bought a T-shirt. They had one body that had various types of replacements attached, (knee, hip, etc.) VERY cool exhibit.