Would the paradigm center speaker: cc190 or cc290, go well with the psb t6 towers?

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Gavilan355

Audioholic Intern
Ive done plenty of research and I've decided to go with Psb image t6 towers. which are better than the paradigm monitor series. BUT I do want a 3 way center speaker for better performance. The psb c5( which comes with the t6) is just 2 way. Paradigms make better center speakers. I know about the timbre effect on speakers. but, the paradigm cc models are similar to the psb's t6.

the cc model centers and the t6 towers both have:

titanium 1" tweeter with with ferro-fluid cooling

woofers are made from polypropylene cones, (t6 is filled with ceramic, cc are filled with carbon)

and the mid range on the t6 is also polypropylene cones with ceramic, while the cc are with polymer.

so I say they are pretty similar and wont have a huge problem with timbre matching. plus I have audessy on my reciever so I think it should balance every thing out.. what you guys think?

Aslo since Psb is the sister company of Paradigm, I would assume they have similar parts and technology.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Ive done plenty of research and I've decided to go with Psb image t6 towers. which are better than the paradigm monitor series. BUT I do want a 3 way center speaker for better performance. The psb c5( which comes with the t6) is just 2 way. Paradigms make better center speakers. I know about the timbre effect on speakers. but, the paradigm cc models are similar to the psb's t6.

the cc model centers and the t6 towers both have:

titanium 1" tweeter with with ferro-fluid cooling

woofers are made from polypropylene cones, (t6 is filled with ceramic, cc are filled with carbon)

and the mid range on the t6 is also polypropylene cones with ceramic, while the cc are with polymer.

so I say they are pretty similar and wont have a huge problem with timbre matching. plus I have audessy on my reciever so I think it should balance every thing out.. what you guys think?

Aslo since Psb is the sister company of Paradigm, I would assume they have similar parts and technology.

PSB is NOT a sister company to Paradigmn at all. They just both happen to be Canadian. Thats where their similarities end. PSB's image series is better series than the Monitor series from Paradigms including their center channels IHO having audtionined both before purchase my PSBs and listening to the two series post model upgrades since my versions were released. Don't get hung up on what the drivers are made of or whether or not its a 2way verses a 3 way. Audition and listen for yourself. There maybe a timbre mismatch which Audessy may not be able to adjust for.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
so I say they are pretty similar and wont have a huge problem with timbre matching. plus I have audessy on my reciever so I think it should balance every thing out.. what you guys think?
They do not sound the same - audessy will not timbre match them.
I have owned Image and Monitor speakers. I reccomend the PSB
center, do not under estimate PSB.
 
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bikemig

Audioholic Chief
PSB is the sister company of NAD, not Paradigm. I auditioned both extensively as well (and a few other speakers) and chose the PSB T-6 monitors since to me they simply sounded better than anything else I heard in their price range. I'm in the market for a center (perhaps even a centre as well, ;) speaker as well but I'm going to stick with the PSBs.
 
tattoo_Dan

tattoo_Dan

Banned
I agree,as much as I love my Paradigms,you should stay with the same co and line for a cc.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I would get a PSB Center to go along with the T6.
 
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Gavilan355

Audioholic Intern
They do not sound the same - audessy will not timbre match them.
I have owned Image and Monitor speakers. I reccomend the PSB
center, do not under estimate PSB.
So the Psb center would be betterthan paradigms monitor centers? I dont mean to be annoying, I just want to makw sure
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
I actually agree that the PSB centers are limited by their design.

I can however tell you the timbre match with the paradigms won't be very good, because the paradigms don't sound very natural imo :D and a lot of people here do think the PSBs sound natural.

Like 3db said, listen yourself and audition yourself.

FWIW, I don't think you need to get the "matching" center. I think this center could possibly work well with the PSBs while having a better dispersion pattern:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFIQ60CBLA/KEF-Iq60c-5-1/4-Center-Channel-3-way-Speaker-Black/1.html
 
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Gavilan355

Audioholic Intern
Thanks, that center looks great, and KEF is known for its great performance. just what makes you sure that it would go great with the image t6?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks, that center looks great, and KEF is known for its great performance. just what makes you sure that it would go great with the image t6?
I'm not sure :D ..,. Well if it's accurate, it should go rather well with the T6 if that is accurate... that is the only thing we can assume. The more either speaker deviates from accurate (like the paradigms do IME) then the more we hear timbre differences. The less they deviate from accurate on AND off axis the less we hear timbre differences. It still doesn't account for phase differences or unwanted resonances but I think that the way multichannel content is recorded, timbre matching is an overated thing. For starters, center channels are in front of our ears, and left/right mains are angled in straight at our ears. That right there is already a source of a timbre difference, even with the exact same speakers. Then there's room placement. We can overlook all of this, even as a car zooms between the three front speakers, only because these kind of special effects happen quickly. The question then becomes "what about vocals". Well you want speakers that do the vocal region well, of course. You don't want speakers to do much audible to vocal timbre. You can only hope they're well designed. Also, when it comes to movies, how often do vocals pan like that? I find that the most important thing is vocal intelligibility, not natural panning. The smooth dispersion pattern of the KEF center should perform better than an MTM center, especially off axis but even on axis because of reflection colorations. So if the center is 90% vocals, you want good vocals.

I don't know if it'll blend in perfectly smoothly enough to be listening to multi channel music with the different center but the important thing for a center channel should be that it's accurate and has wide dispersion. I don't think MTM center speakers, even with the same drivers/designer, blend very well themselves.

What I do know is that Kal Rubinson reviewed the T6 here

http://www.stereophile.com/content/psb-image-t6-loudspeaker-measurements

and the on-axis as well as off-axis measurements look very good to me. So at least the T6s are pretty accurate. Not garauntee with the KEFs to be 100% honest with you. I've never seen measurements of lower end KEFs nor have I heard them. The Reference series obviously measure extremely well (with excellent on and off axis performance, even in the vertical plane. It was a suggestion, hopefully with a return policy of some sort you could take advantage of if things didn't work out.
 
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zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
So the Psb center would be betterthan paradigms monitor centers? I dont mean to be annoying, I just want to makw sure
Yes the PSB center, will match better with the PSB speakers. The
Paradigm Monitors sound lazy to me - the voices sound some what
weak, and the midrange some what recessed. The PSB is rich and
detailed, and dynamic. The choice is yours - however, in the last 20
years, I have not found a mix brand speaker, that mated well with
the front speakers.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/content/psb-image-series-speaker-system-0
 
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