If I was going to buy a 3805 new-in-box the price would have to be *stunningly* low: particularly if I was interested in the HD audio items you mentioned (don't forget that the 3806 [which is out now and not that expensive] has the Audessy EQ system and is XM ready-things I would've liked myself). In all honesty, the 3805 is a jammin' AV reccy unit, and if you can live without the items mentioned above, and if the price is good, I'd say jump on it. If, however, you really want DTSHD, or Dolby HD, or the Audessy capability, then the 3805 isn't the deck you want at any price, good or not.
Bryan...HTH...