Mark L

Mark L

Enthusiast
I have been reading on this site for a while now and have looked at a lot of the systems, and I can't help but notice that almost no one is using In-walls. Is this because people just want to be able to move there speakers around if they want to, or because the floor standing speakers are just that much better. I am in the process of replacing my rear surround speakers and my center channel. I have a pretty good set of mains (IMHO) so I am going to use them for now, but my surround speakers are a little sub par for the rest of my system. The speakers that I have on order are the Def Tech UIW BPZ/A and the center is going to be the Def Tech CLR 3000. When I do replace my mains the ones I am thinking about are the UIW RLS IIs, am I missing something by not ordering floor speakers or is it just personal opinion? Thanks in advance and sorry for being so long but I've been doing a lot of reading and not a lot of posting.:D
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
I was considering IW's not too long ago, but I could never get the performance of a InWall compared to fully enclosed cabinet.

It seemed to me, one really has to spend a bunch more money on closed back designed or enclosed InWalls to come close to matching the performance of a cabinet... I haven't found any non closed back inwalls that sounded great.

Cabinet interaction extremely important in a speaker design, IMO.
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
I have been reading on this site for a while now and have looked at a lot of the systems, and I can't help but notice that almost no one is using In-walls. Is this because people just want to be able to move there speakers around if they want to, or because the floor standing speakers are just that much better. I am in the process of replacing my rear surround speakers and my center channel. I have a pretty good set of mains (IMHO) so I am going to use them for now, but my surround speakers are a little sub par for the rest of my system. The speakers that I have on order are the Def Tech UIW BPZ/A and the center is going to be the Def Tech CLR 3000. When I do replace my mains the ones I am thinking about are the UIW RLS IIs, am I missing something by not ordering floor speakers or is it just personal opinion? Thanks in advance and sorry for being so long but I've been doing a lot of reading and not a lot of posting.:D
The problem with in-walls is that, in my experience, so few companies really put forth a genuine effort in designing good ones. As an A/V integrator I have demoed, looked at, talked about, and tried many many many kinds of in-walls @ every price point imaginable. The one thing that I have found to be consistent is that nothing's consistent!

Over the years most companies have been taking the drivers from their box speaker line, throwing them into a plastic baffle, adding a cross over, and "BAM!" there's our "voice matched in-wall". This is changing, however. As the custom install markets demand for better and unique in-wall speakers is growing, so are the budgets for which manufacturers are willing to allocate to their design.

The biggest problem with on-line forums and in-walls is that people rarely, if ever, specify the information that would be needed to recommend in-walls. Are your studs evenly spread apart in the wall so everything can be symmetrical? Can you get wire there? It's just not something many people are familiar with and thus, there aren't a lot of comments or questions. Many people on forums seem to be looking to get by the cheapest way possible. They're bargain hunters who often times have low budgets and high expectations (which is strange to me because I consider audio equipment luxury goods). Good in-wall speakers can get expensive depending on your expectations. There are very good products across the price scale to be sure but they are wayyyyy tougher to find vs. box built product. These speakers are often from manufacturers that aren’t considered “mainstream” and thus, people shy away from any recommendation. Another point is that reviews on in-walls for us to discuss are sparse as well which doesn't help initiate curiosity.

Something else to think about is that in a strange way, with everybody's head being "hang the TV on the wall" people have shifted gears towards ON-WALL speakers. They're easier to install (less variables) with guaranteed performance results (again, less variables).

Being a more Theatre/Surround Sound oriented company when we review a manufacturer for possibly bringing on their line I absolutely look to see what in-ceiling and in-wall products are being brought to the table. Do you have in-wall &/or in-ceiling bi-pole/dipole surround's? Do you have anything that's built with a back box or is a back box available (not always a requirement for great performance, but it usually means better results depending on the brand)? Any In-wall sub options? It’s HARD to find companies that have a broad and flexible line but also offer quality across the board.

I guess my whole point is this: There are a lot of different things to consider when looking into in-walls and it's very challenging to properly prescribe something blindly over the forum.
 
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InTheIndustry

Senior Audioholic
I was considering IW's not too long ago, but I could never get the performance of a InWall compared to fully enclosed cabinet.

It seemed to me, one really has to spend a bunch more money on closed back designed or enclosed InWalls to come close to matching the performance of a cabinet... I haven't found any non closed back inwalls that sounded great.

Cabinet interaction extremely important in a speaker design, IMO.
BG in-walls & in-ceilings are the only open backed speakers that I have found to be consistantly strong when compared to box products. To me, BG archetctural speakers are incredible performers accross the board leaving nothing to be desired. Lacking not in bass, not mid, not open highs, nor immaging. They're marvels to me and I cannot explain it from a design or science perspective because they look like everything else that's open backed. Certainly an exception and NOT the rule. The only negative to them is that being open backed it's impossible to not get sound bleeding into other rooms unless you prep the wall cavity with something to deaden the sound. Not tough to do, but extra work none the less.
 
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Exit

Audioholic Chief
I have not seriously shoppped for inwalls, but there are many brand-name manufacturers making them. These include rbh, Infinity, Boston Acoustiics, Cambridge Soundworks and many others which you can find by Googling your favorite brands.

From what I have read, rbh does just about everthing top notch so I would think their in-walls would be competitive with freestanding speakers.

For the lesser known brands who only make architectural speakers, you would be best off going with recommendations from people who have used them. The tough part is that in-walls don't seem to be tested by audio reviewers, so you are flying blind buying them in most cases. There are some in-walls hooked up in stores where you can hear them, but the ones I have seen at the big box stores tended to be low end with premium prices.

You probably don't need top of the line for rear surrounds, but you need something of at least medium quality that can go down in bass to match you subwoofer crossover frequency if you don't want a gap in frequency response.
 
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trnqk7

Full Audioholic
I heard some RBH Signature series inwalls-and they do sound great. However, there are of a pretty similar audio quality to the TK5 towers, sans the deeper bass. They would be very much worth the price if you had to have inwalls, but not so much if you had more flexibility IMO.
 
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Exit

Audioholic Chief
Another thing about in-walls and in-ceilings is that they are more or less permanent. If you move you can't take them out and leave holes in the walls or practically speaking replaster the wall easily. So you loose all you have invested because the average buyer won't value them much and then you have to turn around and rebuy speakers again. It kinda jacks the price up more than the initial purchase.
 

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