Why is MonsterPower (Cable) a....

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BARRACUDA1968

Junior Audioholic
bad name on this forum? are their products really that bad? whats the deal?
 
jaxvon

jaxvon

Audioholic Ninja
Monster products aren't bad, quite the opposite. They make high quality stuff. The problem is they're overpriced as hell, and their marketing tactics are highly predatory. They've been known to go after small companies that are absolutely no competition to them (completely different industry) over the use of "Monster" in their company name.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
I don't even think their prices are outrageous, but they are sold by retail stores and unbelievable markup. Usually over 100% markup! Going online allows you to pick up Monster cable at half, or less, the prices you find in retail stores.

I have read about their over zelous protection of their trade name as well, and find some of it a bit of a put off. Yet, I personally swear by the in-wall speaker cabling as the best I've ever seen. As well, their Power Products are in-line with the competitors prices and are of high quality.

At least, for the prices they charge, you get a decent product vs. some other products out there.
 
bigbassdave

bigbassdave

Full Audioholic
jaxvon said:
Monster products aren't bad, quite the opposite. They make high quality stuff. The problem is they're overpriced as hell, and their marketing tactics are highly predatory. They've been known to go after small companies that are absolutely no competition to them (completely different industry) over the use of "Monster" in their company name.
Exactly what I was thinking
 
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bpape

Audioholic Chief
It's more their predatory practices that have gotten them the bad name. As for pricing - yes it's high - but not as high as Audioquest, Cardas, etc.

Also, 100% markup is not at all unusual in 'accessories' in the audio business.

I'll give you an example. I used to sell Grado cartridges. They're very nice and very well respected products. Their little $55 (now $75 I think) cartridget was a best selling bargain for entry level performance. Retail was $55. My cost was $8.

And yes - we used to sell plain generic Monster brand cable. We paid $0.50 and charged $1 per foot. The terminations is where you made the money.

Is this bad? Well, the stores have to make money somewhere. I had receivers that would retail for $399. They'd cost me $260 or so. Then everyone wanted a discount or 'package deal'. So maybe I sold it for $350. Out of that $90 I had to pay for inventory, building rent, taxes, salaries, utilities, advertising, etc.

Selling a few cartridges at 400% profit or some wire at 100% helps balance things out.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
bpape said:
It's more their predatory practices that have gotten them the bad name.
This thought gave me a chuckle: An episode of Monster Garage in which Jesse opens a letter from Monster telling him to cease and desist from using that name. Let the fire works begin.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Nick250 said:
This thought gave me a chuckle: An episode of Monster Garage in which Jesse opens a letter from Monster telling him to cease and desist from using that name. Let the fire works begin.
Wait....Jesse James can read?

SheepStar
 
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bpape

Audioholic Chief
I'd love to see Jesse rig up some REAL 'monster' cables. Whatcha think? Maybe a spool of high tension wire from the power company - a bundle maybe a foot in diameter?
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
Sheep said:
Wait....Jesse James can read?
He's a subscriber to Brown Sugar isn't he? You gotta read the articles in that.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
jaxvon said:
Monster products aren't bad, quite the opposite. They make high quality stuff. The problem is they're overpriced as hell, and their marketing tactics are highly predatory. They've been known to go after small companies that are absolutely no competition to them (completely different industry) over the use of "Monster" in their company name.

Such as Monster Snow Bunniews, another one about costuems, etc.:mad:

Then they have the gull to say they are just protecting their name?:eek:
 
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mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
Monster has good solid quality stuff on the low to mid end, but they do have their own share of snake oil....they had a $1500/m interconnect that was just ridiculous in the sheer snake oil content.

I just think that the retail product is way too pricey, as is most cables.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
They sued Disney for the movie Monsters Inc. Companies with business practices like that don't get my money. Not to mention the fact that I would never pay $100+ for an interconnect or speaker cable that I could make myself for $10 or less and have quality equal to or greater than Monster.

Sony is another company on my "don't buy" list.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
Hmmm they sued Disney... What was the outcome? I would have to think that Disney has an armada of lawers and would bury Monster without breaking a sweat.
 
brian32672

brian32672

Banned
agarwalro said:
:eek: I knew it was bad but this is insane.
Monster fiercely protects its name
Cable products company sues those who use M-word


Benny Evangelista, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, November 8, 2004


A monster by any other name might get you sued by Monster Cable Products Inc.

The Brisbane maker of electronics accessories has filed lawsuits and trademark infringement claims against dozens of companies for using "monster'' in names, products or services.

The TV series "Monster Garage'' and the Monster Seats above Fenway Park's left field wall have been targeted in what Monster Cable officials say is an aggressive legal strategy to protect the firm's good name.

"We have an obligation to protect our trademark; otherwise we'd lose it, '' said Monster Cable founder Noel Lee.

Critics like Victor Petrucci, founder of a small, family-owned online clothing store called MonsterVintage.com in Camas, Wash., say Monster Cable is going overboard.

"They strong-arm anybody who uses the word 'monster,' '' said Petrucci, who is fighting a lawsuit that Monster Cable filed against his firm in August. "I sell used clothing. How can I damage them at all?''


Petrucci drew public attention with a big protest sign attached to a truck outside the main parking lot during a 49ers game shortly after Monster Cable bought the naming rights to Candlestick Park in San Francisco.

Monster Cable legal counsel David Tognotti said it has registered more than 50 trademarks covering a wide range of products, including furniture, food and clothing. "We've spent millions of dollars as well as countless hours building our brand,'' he said.

Tognotti is preparing for a trial against the Discovery Channel over the popular TV series "Monster Garage,'' which he claims uses images of "provocative women'' and an iron cross logo that could tarnish Monster Cable's image.

With MonsterVintage, Tognotti said he tried to stop Petrucci's use of a logo that is very similar to Monster Cable's.

"We called them and said, 'We'd like you to stop,' '' Tognotti said. "He continued to ignore us, so we filed a lawsuit in federal court.''

According to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and court records, Monster Cable has gone after other notable monsters:

-- Walt Disney Co., which distributed Pixar Animation Studios' hit film "Monsters, Inc.''

-- Bally Gaming International Inc. for its Monster Slots.

-- Hansen Beverage Co. for a Monster Energy drink.

-- The Chicago Bears, whose nickname is "Monsters of the Midway.''


In most cases, Monster Cable has been able to work out a settlement or nominal licensing agreement, Tognotti said.

For example, a deal is in the works with the owner of the Fenway Park Monster Seats trademark that will result in some seats being made available for charitable purposes at Monster and Fenway parks.

In 1999, Monster Cable sued the company it has been most mistaken for, Monster.com., the Maynard, Mass., online job-hunting site. The companies settled in February 2000, but agreed to keep the terms confidential.

However, trademark law attorney Anthony Malutta, who once defended a client in a case filed by Monster Cable, noted that Monster.com's site has a link to Monster Cable, not the other way around.

Monster Cable's policing of its trademark strengthens its legal rights and scares off would-be monsters, said Malutta, of Townsend and Townsend and Crew LLP of San Francisco.

However, that tactic might "hurt them if they go after everybody who uses 'monster,' like a little clothing company that really is not a source of confusion at all,'' he said

EDIT:: Bolded a few main issues.
 
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bfalls

Audiophyte
Monster is no worse than Bose who tried to sue other companies for the use of the word "lifestyle". I believe they also tried to sue a speaker company in the past for using a '.' in their name after they came out with the 10.2 etc systems. It's really ridiculous when you can't use punctuation as part of a name.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Nick250 said:
Hmmm they sued Disney... What was the outcome? I would have to think that Disney has an armada of lawers and would bury Monster without breaking a sweat.

I think they signed somekind of an agreement as it will benefit both of them through links from their web sites. All about a business deal. A large company has an up potential, small mom and pop stores do not, and they know it. It is sheer intimidation and black mail.
 
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claudermilk

Full Audioholic
I had no idea they were THAT bad. That is totally insane. What is worse is they have obviously found a pack of lawyers that have no moral problem with that kind of thing, not to mention a bunch of judges. Somehow the term racketeering is coming to mind; it is a really sad state of affairs that these jerks can get away with that. How is it that these ridiculous cases are not laughed out of court?

I will definitely never, ever buy anything even remotely connected to that company ever again (OOPS! PR backfire! :D ).
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
What do you think Monster would do if I changed all my usernames on all the forums I frequent to MonsterCableSux, ya think they might try to stop me from doing that? :D
 

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