Why don’t people like me… I mean Klipsch.

[markw]

didn't you get the memo?

Grave-digging much?

Zombies are "in" this year. They're the new vampires.

 

[LAB3]

I don't hate any speaker company. However, my ears cannot handle any kind of horn/metal tweeter.

They are simply too hard on my ears & I end up with a headache after about an hour. So I just stay away from them.

But if your ears can handle them & you like them...enjoy!

Try adjusting the Eq. I have owned many different Klipsch speakers in the last 40 years and I have never Not been able to adjust for my room and my ears.some formats come across a little bright or harsh so I adjust
the gain on the tweeter or mid horn.

 

[LAB3]

Depends on your primary usage.

The Klispche are not physically capable of sounding realistic; they clearly lack critical measured behavior(s) that are known by human auditory research to be critical to maximum sound quality as perceived by human subjects.

-Chris

LMAO and you know this for sure............ and from a expert that can't spell the name correctly. j/k I laugh so hard when I read all horns are harsh, too brite, they hurt my ears, etc........... two words............... tone controls.

Klipsch Heritage Series and more so the older one's made from real wood are some of the most accurate speakers ever produced. And do so without mega watt amps. That said, the Reference Series can be tuned to play music just fine. I own both in my HT system.

 

[Whitey80]

LMAO and you know this for sure............ and from a expert that can't spell the name correctly. j/k I laugh so hard when I read all horns are harsh, too brite, they hurt my ears, etc........... two words............... tone controls.

Klipsch Heritage Series and more so the older one's made from real wood are some of the most accurate speakers ever produced. And do so without mega watt amps. That said, the Reference Series can be tuned to play music just fine. I own both in my HT system.

Chris (Wmax) had always been quite concerned with the measurable aspects of a speaker, and their abilities to reproduce precisely the source materials without any deviation.
Was definitely one of the most knowledgeable forum members before his departure. If he were here, I believe he would say, "an accurate speaker doesn't require tone controls."

 

[GranteedEV]

LMAO and you know this for sure............ and from a expert that can't spell the name correctly. j/k I laugh so hard when I read all horns are harsh, too brite, they hurt my ears, etc........... two words............... tone controls.

and how do tone controls address the insufficiently delayed sound energy that hits our ears because it has bounced back and forth through the horn many times?

 

[DenPureSound]

Klipsch FR Plots

I have been asking KLIPSCH for two weeks, via two separate emails to send me their FR Plots, On and Off Axis and Complex Impedance data plots, etc. for there expensive RF-7II's for front towers.

Nothing has arrived -- what is KLIPSCH doing?

Geez, I can go to the Philharmonic Audio site, and look at the Phil 3's and see most everything I want. Thanks to Dennis Murphy, as he cares!!

http://philharmonicaudio.com/philharmonic3.html

To heck with Tone controls, if the speaker is designed correctly from the beginning (Drivers, Enclosure, Xovers, Terminus) to be Ruler-Flat for it's FR Plots On-Off Axis with 5 Point Average Listening Windows, even if it has only a Sensitivity of 85db (2.83V/1m), you don't need to mess around w/ tone controls at all.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Chris (Wmax) had always been quite concerned with the measurable aspects of a speaker, and their abilities to reproduce precisely the source materials without any deviation.
Was definitely one of the most knowledgeable forum members before his departure. If he were here, I believe he would say, "an accurate speaker doesn't require tone controls."

I think he only cared about 2 things:

1) on-axis FR
2) cabinet resonance

He didn't seem to care about off-axis FR (polar response) at all.

He seemed to believe that as long as the speakers had those 2 requirements, you can just use tone control to fix anything.

 

[GranteedEV]

He didn't seem to care about off-axis FR (polar response) at all.

..He's the most obsessive person about off axis FR in the world... Definitely a polar response psycho whose omni speakers have flat response out to the 70+ degrees on either axis within the entire audible range. Knows more about every aspect of perceptual research than you or I would EVER bother to learn

 

[robc1976]

If your primary use is for critical music listening and you want realism of sound, then you would be far better served with something else. The Klispche are not physically capable of sounding realistic; they clearly lack critical measured behavior(s) that are known by human auditory research to be critical to maximum sound quality as perceived by human subjects.

-Chris

I have to disagree with you 100% depends on the AVR and room treatments also...if you are going for "realism" then ttreatments are a must...I have a entire 9.2 klipsch system and it sounds VERY accurate.

 

[Theresa]

Speakers are so objective. They really sound different unlike most other HT electronics. I heard some Khorns back in the '80s and thought they sounded harsh in comparison with my speakers, which weren't great. I would not want to say that those who love them were wrong, just different tastes. I like my inefficient ScanSpeaks, they sound accurate to me.

 

[GranteedEV]

if you are going for "realism" then ttreatments are a must...

Let's rephrase that

"If you are going for "stereo" then treatments are a must"

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

..He's the most obsessive person about off axis FR in the world... Definitely a polar response psycho whose omni speakers have flat response out to the 70+ degrees on either axis within the entire audible range. Knows more about every aspect of perceptual research than you or I would EVER bother to learn

I must be thinking of someone else then. My bad.

I thought he loved the 802D, which had bad polar response.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Speakers are so objective.

You mean "subjective", right?

 

[PENG]

I must be thinking of someone else then. My bad.

Is B&W still ignoring your question about their 800's polar response? I guess they are no different than Klipsch, who may also seem to be ignoring/delaying to response to ...... I wonder why?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I have been asking KLIPSCH for two weeks, via two separate emails to send me their FR Plots, On and Off Axis and Complex Impedance data plots, etc. for there expensive RF-7II's for front towers.

Nothing has arrived -- what is KLIPSCH doing?

Geez, I can go to the Philharmonic Audio site, and look at the Phil 3's and see most everything I want. Thanks to Dennis Murphy, as he cares!!

http://philharmonicaudio.com/philharmonic3.html

To heck with Tone controls, if the speaker is designed correctly from the beginning (Drivers, Enclosure, Xovers, Terminus) to be Ruler-Flat for it's FR Plots On-Off Axis with 5 Point Average Listening Windows, even if it has only a Sensitivity of 85db (2.83V/1m), you don't need to mess around w/ tone controls at all.

My only concern for you is why you feel the Klipsch RF82s, which do not measure as accurately as the Infinity Classia, sound better than the Infinity Classia.

The Infinity seem to have better on-axis & off-axis than the Klipsch. Thus you must audition the speakers before buying.

 

[LAB3]

Everyone hears a little different and every "Normal" room has it's problems that a Eq can help with. If You are happy with the way your speakers sound no matter who makes them that is all that matters. I try not to post negative things about other brands unless I owned them and had problems with them. And even then I am posting what happened to me not the speaker line in general. Now that I have Bluray and added more speakers to make a HT system a Eq. is a Must. I was bashed on a different forum when I made a post that I don't miss my tubes and a yamaha AVR would play my Cornwalls just fine..wow old school hard liners took offense..... some people read so much info on how speakers reproduce sound and get caught up in who can post the most important sounding info that is so technical a normal person that has enjoyed music for 40 years just laughs. If you are happy with the system you have that is all that matters. I get bored and sometimes like to give the Klipsch Haters a little poke in the eye.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Is B&W still ignoring your question about their 800's polar response? I guess they are no different than Klipsch, who may also seem to be ignoring/delaying to response to ...... I wonder why?

B&W is completely blowing me off.

After their initial response in which they totally ignored my question, I sent them 3 more emails from their website. They have completely ignored me. Perhaps someone else could ask them the same question and see what they say. DenPureSound, are you up for the task?

Just ask them why the HORIZONTAL off-axis response on the 800D & 802D is not very flat and smooth even when compared to the cheap Infinity P363 speakers.

 

[robc1976]

Let's rephrase that

"If you are going for "stereo" then treatments are a must"

No need te Re-phrase it......HT needs it to, why not have the best of both worlds

 

[LAB3]

B&W is completely blowing me off.

After their initial response in which they totally ignored my question, I sent them 3 more emails from their website. They have completely ignored me. Perhaps someone else could ask them the same question and see what they say. DenPureSound, are you up for the task?

Just ask them why the HORIZONTAL off-axis response on the 800D & 802D is not very flat and smooth even when compared to the cheap Infinity P363 speakers.

My guess is the customes service reps are not trained good enough to know the answer to your question. Maybe call them during a work day and ask for a Tech Support Manager for a answer. I don't know about what you are talking about either. Off axis tomorrow when the Grand Kids are at school I will Google this.

 

[PENG]

My guess is the customes service reps are not trained good enough to know the answer to your question. Maybe call them during a work day and ask for a Tech Support Manager for a answer. I don't know about what you are talking about either. Off axis tomorrow when the Grand Kids are at school I will Google this.

I think you are right. Since I plan on a speaker upgrade this year I may call their head office in the UK and ask to speak to one of their design engineer. I go to work early anyway so time zone difference is not a big deal for me.