Why choose Marantz and Denon over other brands?

J.D. Walker

J.D. Walker

Enthusiast
Why choose Marantz and Denon over other brands? Iam looking to replace my sony str dn1060 with a receiver that has more watts per channel to drive my svs ultra bookshelf speakers. Do I actually need to ? Am I underpowering them now? I really need any advice....Thank YOU!
 
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KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
Pick whatever feature set you like or need rather than brand.

As for "more watts", how much more do you think you need? It takes twice as much to go up 3 decibels, if I recall correctly. What makes you think you need more? Are you running the volume knob cranked to it's maximum now and sending the Sony into protection mode?
 
J.D. Walker

J.D. Walker

Enthusiast
Pick whatever feature set you like or need rather than brand.

As for "more watts", how much more do you think you need? It takes twice as much to go up 3 decibels, if I recall correctly. What makes you think you need more? Are you running the volume knob cranked to it's maximum now and sending the Sony into protection mode?
No, I assumed the bigger named brands provided better sound. It's all new to me and I never see SONY mentioned whenever reviewing receivers and researching.... p.s. I am able to "bi-wire" my front speaker and "bi-amp" my front left and right......I am trying to get the most out of my equipment and trying not to waste money by trial and error........thank for any input or advice..
 
J.D. Walker

J.D. Walker

Enthusiast
Pick whatever feature set you like or need rather than brand.

As for "more watts", how much more do you think you need? It takes twice as much to go up 3 decibels, if I recall correctly. What makes you think you need more? Are you running the volume knob cranked to it's maximum now and sending the Sony into protection mode?
Ken, what receiver do you use?
 
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KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
Whether they all sound the same or not is a source of endless debate here. It's entirely up to you.

I'll get pummeled for it, but...I like the sound of my NAD (T758, in my sig) better than my Denon. I tested an Anthem and liked the sound of that one better than my NAD, and may actually get one sometime this spring.

It' probably placebo effect, I probably couldn't pass a blind test.
 
J.D. Walker

J.D. Walker

Enthusiast
Whether they all sound the same or not is a source of endless debate here. It's entirely up to you.

I'll get pummeled for it, but...I like the sound of my NAD (T758, in my sig) better than my Denon. I tested an Anthem and liked the sound of that one better than my NAD, and may actually get one sometime this spring.

It' probably placebo effect, I probably couldn't pass a blind test.
Thank you sir!
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
Why choose Marantz and Denon over other brands? Iam looking to replace my sony str dn1060 with a receiver that has more watts per channel to drive my svs ultra bookshelf speakers. Do I actually need to ? Am I underpowering them now? I really need any advice....Thank YOU!
JD Walker:
You may already know, but Swerd posted this :Remember that since 2002 the Marantz and Denon labels have been owned by the same Japanese company, D&M Group. I find it highly unlikely that these two makes don't share a lot of the same parts and software. Your "choice" between Marantz and Denon is really choosing between two children of the same parent. A $2,000 Marantz will have pretty much the same $2,000 worth of parts as in the Denon.

I own a Denon and have for several generations. I have Marantz envy for my next AVR upgrade. Go figure.

Like other folks here have suggested, figure out what features (power, HDMI connections, whatever) that matter to you the most and go find an AVR with those that hits your price point. Spending more $$ doesn't mean it is going to sound "better". Whatever "better" means to you.

KenM10759 expressed his opinion that he likes one choice over the other. You will have to make the same call. Don't let someone else on a forum tell you what sounds best. He was speaking the truth: he did his own sound testing and so should y'all.
 
J.D. Walker

J.D. Walker

Enthusiast
JD Walker:
You may already know, but Swerd posted this :Remember that since 2002 the Marantz and Denon labels have been owned by the same Japanese company, D&M Group. I find it highly unlikely that these two makes don't share a lot of the same parts and software. Your "choice" between Marantz and Denon is really choosing between two children of the same parent. A $2,000 Marantz will have pretty much the same $2,000 worth of parts as in the Denon.

I own a Denon and have for several generations. I have Marantz envy for my next AVR upgrade. Go figure.

Like other folks here have suggested, figure out what features (power, HDMI connections, whatever) that matter to you the most and go find an AVR with those that hits your price point. Spending more $$ doesn't mean it is going to sound "better". Whatever "better" means to you.

KenM10759 expressed his opinion that he likes one choice over the other. You will have to make the same call. Don't let someone else on a forum tell you what sounds best. He was speaking the truth: he did his own sound testing and so should y'all.
Thank you, these response are helping already.......avoiding snake oil.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I heard there's a sound quality lottery all manufacturers participate in. This determines sound quality at each level, mostly a bloody bidding war involving cashing in children, then the executives fight it out in the crocodile pit for rankings within price points. It gets pretty ugly but when sound quality is based on marketing, ya gotta do something :confused: Maybe not.

ps It's especially ugly with sister brands like Denon and Marantz, the board just pits each division against the other and it really gets ugly. Legal. But ugly.
 
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KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
Sony makes good receivers. Likewise Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo/Integra, Denon/Marantz and the couple other makes you might find at a Best Buy. Perhaps a little more power with less features might be found in the more expensive products of much smaller companies such as Cambridge audio, NAD and Anthem.

It should be primarily about the features you need now (number of HDMI inputs, digital/analog inputs, number output channels, HDMI 2.0, HDCP 2.2, DTS & Dolby modes, etc) plus due consideration to how long you might have it and would you want future upgrades to Dolby Atmos, 4K video, and so on.

Whether or not you can get sound you like better is why I am so appreciative of having an AV dealer who stocks a lot and lets me take things home to try them in my place. Most good dealers will. Look for one.
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
I heard there's a sound quality lottery all manufacturers participate in. This determines sound quality at each level, mostly a bloody bidding war involving cashing in children, then the executives fight it out in the crocodile pit for rankings within price points. It gets pretty ugly but when sound quality is based on marketing, ya gotta do something :confused: Maybe not.

ps It's especially ugly with sister brands like Denon and Marantz, the board just pits each division against the other and it really gets ugly. Legal. But ugly.
lovinthehd:
its the sad underbelly of the audio world. sibling against sibling.
 
tyhjaarpa

tyhjaarpa

Audioholic Field Marshall
Denon/Marantz/Yamaha gets recommended most as they offer good set of features for their value. If your avr can run your speakers at level you like without problems then you wont need an upgrade, how ever if you start to get distortion or clipping while you listen or cannot reach desired level then you will need to upgrade.

What comes to bi-amping, it is not worth it. You will have more problems than benefits from it and it has its risks if not done correctly.
 
vsound5150

vsound5150

Audioholic
Why choose Marantz and Denon over other brands? Iam looking to replace my sony str dn1060 with a receiver that has more watts per channel to drive my svs ultra bookshelf speakers. Do I actually need to ? Am I underpowering them now? I really need any advice....Thank YOU!
The Sony doesn't sound good and strong with those speakers? Seems like a good match.

I went from a $500 Onkyo to a $1,200 Marantz and it was clearly a step up sound wise and the Marantz graphical interface is easier to see and use. The Onkyo had a text/ms-dos black and white interface. The Onkyo had guts for movies not so much clarity for two channel music. The Marantz I'm finding is killer all around, I'm still fine tuning the room and zone 2 the garage to work on my cars.

I agree with everyone else you will decide what sounds best to you, what style music, your room size/acoustics, etc.. One of the first CD's I threw in my Marantz was Fiona Apple's Tidal and I couldn't believe how good it sounded I turned it up didn't care if the neighbors complained I was in heaven...finally. Good luck researching.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
I have a Denon x1200w powering my Ultras and it's plenty. I can reach painful (non distorted or clipped) levels from where I sit now and it's only 85wpc in 2 channel stereo.
 
Hi Ho

Hi Ho

Audioholic Samurai
The number one reason for me is Audyssey, particularly XT32 with SubEQ HT. Yamaha makes excellent stuff but their YPAO system isn't even in the race with Audyssey. I bought a Denon X3300 and I credit Audyssey with making my system sound better than ever. Having used room correction from Yamaha, Sony, and Anthem I can say that there is no comparison. Audyssey alone is worth it.
 
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Dustin melvin

Audiophyte
Why choose Marantz and Denon over other brands? Iam looking to replace my sony str dn1060 with a receiver that has more watts per channel to drive my svs ultra bookshelf speakers. Do I actually need to ? Am I underpowering them now? I really need any advice....Thank YOU!
I think the yamaha aventage line would be a great set up rxa760 will do fine!
 
-Jim-

-Jim-

Audioholic Field Marshall
I have a Sony STR-DN1050 on the family room system – near the Kitchen, a Denon AVRS-900W in the games room, and an older Denon AVR-1612 in the basement. IMHO good sound, after a decent choice of Receiver, is about Speakers. Selection of the latter and their setup is far more critical than the former.

I think the Sony STR-DN1050 is fabulous (Audioholics agreed as it was designated the best receiver in it's class when reviewed and recommended it in the yearly AV Guide. At the time I was going to spend in the neighborhood of $2K on a Marantz, as I had a fabulous one decades ago=> when I stumbled into the Sony STR-DN 1040 – which I tried for almost a month and returned, only because I wanted a few extra features in the 1050.

I remember someone (Gene?) stated you couldn’t get anything better at twice the price. Your 1060 is a slight tweak on this design (typical of OEMs who change things every year for mostly marketing purposes – although Sony lost me when they dropped the AM radio band. A Receiver needs to Receive Radio signals (if not it’s just an integrated amplifier / processor) and I typically listen to a local AM Sports Radio Station when making dinner).

Denon’s approach to set-up and control is more traditional, as Sony made their remote super simple (great for my wife I thought, but she just tolerates my choice of hobby and doesn’t embrace it much). I grabbed the Denon AVRS-900W to upgrade an older, still 100% functional Sony Receiver as it lacked HDMI capability; and in particular the HD Sound capability DTS HD Master, and its Dolby equivalent for BluRay Concert Disks. (I’m not into immersive sound.) It has all kinds of bells and whistles –like internet radio- which I haven’t had time to tinker with. (But I’m not expecting much quality so it’s more a curiosity on making it work.)

The Denon AVR-1612 in the basement is on an Economy System (I bought it used off Craigslist) I put together just for grins to see what I could do on the cheap. I tried it connected to the other two systems speakers, and it sounded great although it doesn’t have all the features the other two receivers have.
I dismissed Onkyo in all my purchases as they had serious problems with their HDMI boards failing (and I think they were losing so much market share they tried to prop it up by extending their warranty in some countries). Pioneer used to be another great brand, but it was recently bough out by Onkyo so I didn’t want to go there either.

As you will see elsewhere, a lot of OEMs are trying to out do each other on features to distinguish their brand at a certain price point. To do this they typically cheap out on the power electronics (amplifier section, main power transformer, etc.) which is first noticed by how light they get each model year. For reference my Denon AVRS-900W is less than 22 pounds and my decades old Marantz 2325 weighed in at about 50 pounds – and that was for only two channels at 125 watts RMS (both channels driven into 8 Ω/ohms, 20 Hz – 20 kHz with 0.1 % T.H.D.) => not the 7 channels (or more) most receivers push these days. I rarely can find anyone listing power output in RMS, with all channels driven into 8 Ω/ohms, 20 Hz – 20 kHz which I still consider the true way to define power output. It puts every OEM on a level playing field.

My bottom line is there are many acceptable mainstream brands including Marantz and it’s Denon brother (same OEM – with many shared designs and components), Sony, and probably Pioneer /Onkyo (brothers too). And I haven’t even mentioned many others as it’s a crowded marketplace. Some like me tend to stay with basically what’s worked for us in the past, but that shouldn’t limit what you look at as you may miss a new Gem out there.

If you are unsatisfied with your present system, the members here can help you get the most out of it, and maybe a tweak here or there may improve the sound enough to satisfy you; and who knows, maybe even impress you again. ;)
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Whether or not you can get sound you like better is why I am so appreciative of having an AV dealer who stocks a lot and lets me take things home to try them in my place. Most good dealers will. Look for one.
I used to want to do that, but won't bother any more. It is much more efficient to compare specs/features based on published information (do best to dicipher them) and search for bench test data. If a $3,000 Denon integrated amp sounds different than an anthem amp in my hifi room, I probably would avoid both.:D For loudspeakers, it will be great to test them in their final positions but it is practically hard to do.
 
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KenM10759

Audioholic Ninja
I'm lucky to (still) have a couple of good dealers and even if the units sound EXACTLY the same, there is merit to trying them in your own home, your own space. The benefit is in operating a unit.

To me I could draw a parallel to cameras. I'm a Nikon guy and just never latched onto the way a Canon feels in my hands. I did also like the Leica cameras, though the fine (read: expensive as hell) lenses put them out of my thoughts. (I have actually owned one of their rangefinder models for a time though.)

With receivers each has certain ways of working with different modes, button pushes and connections. All of them work, though some seem to work easier for me. This is part of the reason I actually like my NAD receiver. For me, I love the super-easy listening mode switching, device switching and big volume control rocker switch. Others I've tried took more effort.

Trying different AVR's for a few days does give me a much better sense of whether or not I actually like the things about it that I can't read on a spec sheet.
 

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