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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
Curious if your Mac is cable connected to your system and if you have tried the Qobuz app or any other services on it.

I’m thinking about a Wiim amp for the office to save space. Most don’t have anything but good things to say about their Wiim devices.
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
yes u get exactly what is sent. But the timing is off (jitter) and this is not noticeable with computer data, however it is noticeable with audio/video and that’s why u get pauses in an action scene or the sound pauses or doesn’t sound right.
Sorry but that is just marketing rubbish. I've read plenty of articles on jitter and how it is supposed to affect audio, but data transmission does not work that way. All devices, whether it is a PC, tablet, mobile phone, DAC or AVR, all use buffering. An audio data stream is not constant, whether it occurs over a network or internally within a device. Network audio streams in particular have to contend with other data streams over the local network, so the audio arrives at the intended device in packets, or in bursts. Those data packets are buffered in memory and the device then uses the data as required. As long as the memory buffer is not emptied, the device can consume the audio stream at a constant rate, so there is no jitter. Audio streams have a low bit rate compared to what a network can handle so drop outs do not occur unless there is problem with the source.

You are correct in that an Eversolo with an SSD card will never experience drop outs because the data is consumed internally but buffer under-runs on a local network are rare enough to be ignored. My Pi3B handles high-res streams from my Roon server over WiFi without any issues and that's with my son gaming and my wife watching Netflix at the same time.
 
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Funnychap

Enthusiast
Sorry but that is just marketing rubbish. I've read plenty of articles on jitter and how it is supposed to affect audio, but data transmission does not work that way. All devices, whether it is a PC, tablet, mobile phone, DAC or AVR, all use buffering. An audio data stream is not constant, whether it occurs over a network or internally within a device. Network audio streams in particular have to contend with other data streams over the local network, so the audio arrives at the intended device in packets, or in bursts. Those data packets are buffered in memory and the device then uses the data as required. As long as the memory buffer is not emptied, the device can consume the audio stream at a constant rate, so there is no jitter. Audio streams have a low bit rate compared to what a network can handle so drop outs do not occur unless there is problem with the source.

You are correct in that an Eversolo with an SSD card will never experience drop outs because the data is consumed internally but buffer under-runs on a local network are rare enough to be ignored. My Pi3B handles high-res streams from my Roon server over WiFi without any issues and that's with my son gaming and my wife watching Netflix at the same time.
if that works for u, congrats u saved money. But you don't know what you might be missing.

But again you’re talking about computer data, not audio/visual which is highly affected by jitter that I do notice.

for me, the best anti jitter is a ddc by Denafrips iris 12th , which also improved my sound quality.

But getting back to the original question, a standalone streamer has less noise than using a pi or general computer, better software, better DAC.
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Spartan
Curious if your Mac is cable connected to your system and if you have tried the Qobuz app or any other services on it.
My iMac is wirelessly connected and yes I have WiiM / Qobuz set up and running just fine on it.

FWIW iMac, WiiM and router all in the same room.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
yes u get exactly what is sent. But the timing is off (jitter) and this is not noticeable with computer data, however it is noticeable with audio/video and that’s why u get pauses in an action scene or the sound pauses or doesn’t sound right.
Jitter isn't possible over ethernet. It was a short-lived issue on early sync USB implementation, but we moved to a-sync USB decades ago.
 
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Trebdp83

Audioholic Spartan
My iMac is wirelessly connected and yes I have WiiM / Qobuz set up and running just fine on it.

FWIW iMac, WiiM and router all in the same room.
I was curious if you had downloaded the Qobuz desktop app for the Mac and used Airplay or Chromecast to cast it to your system and compared it to the WiiM’s wired connection.
 

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