Which is better Yam HTR-5990 or HK Avr 140

[mike c]

get a yamaha receiver to use as a pre-pro, then get an external amp ...

 

[mtrycrafts]

... Did you ever notice that amps from the 80's tended to deliver more power and greater volume.

More power compared to what? Some were rated 50 watts RMS, some were rated 200 watts RMS per channel.
Greater volume compared to what? Which speaker sensitivity?


In the 80's it was much more common to have amps rated less than 100 Wpc. Not any longer; god knows what the rating means these days.

Well, they mean what they say, at what frequency, RMS watts at some thd, at 1 ch driven, 2 ch driven or all ch driven. No mystery.

If I had my choice I would want discrete transistors on the output. One transistor per channel.

That is what we have, or more transistors per channel. How else do you drive all those 5 channels?

 

[mtrycrafts]

I rember reading a Sound & Vison review of a midlevel H/K reciever, and being a bit amused that this "high current" reciever could'nt handle a 4 ohm load - somthing that (to my knowldge) a midleve Yamaha reciever has no truble with.

Well, that high current is in reference to what? How high is high? Kind of subjective

 

[mtrycrafts]

Once again people under estimate the true sound of HK, unless you have owned both types of receivers then your opinion doesnt count! .

In reality, what counts is how the comparison was conducted, period, not who has what, how good their hearing is or isn't, etc.

Was it level matched to .1dB spl? Was it randomized double blind, critical?
Were both operating in their design limits and not broken?
So, while everyone has opinions, they are not created equal, or no opinion has any meaning, period.

 

[mtrycrafts]

yes, but I am going to try it again.

Then, being an EE, you need to level match the input level to the speakers with a volt meter to 1% which would spl match it to .1dB spl, important.
Then, you need to do a randomized DBT, 16 trials or 20 trials and get a statistically significant outcome, not a biased response. Without properly comparing components, not much can be inferred from the result, it is unreliable.

 

[zumbo]

Then, being an EE, you need to level match the input level to the speakers with a volt meter to 1% which would spl match it to .1dB spl, important.
Then, you need to do a randomized DBT, 16 trials or 20 trials and get a statistically significant outcome, not a biased response. Without properly comparing components, not much can be inferred from the result, it is unreliable.

carbon1
In other words, your mind believes the hype. You will think the HK is better, because you think it's better.

 

[no. 5]

Well, that high current is in reference to what? How high is high? Kind of subjective

exactly, that's why it amused me.

 

[PENG]

Once again people under estimate the true sound of HK, unless you have owned both types of receivers then your opinion doesnt count!

How many HK models do/did you own? How about those who, after auditioned and research several models of the HK line up and in the end chose not to own any of them for a variety of reasons, their opinions doesn't count? Give me a break! I don't own a Mercedes neither but I owned a few other makes over the years, and I won't hestiate to offer my opinion about who makes a better SUV.

As to their conservative rating, it may be true in terms of their specified wattage rating. If you look at their so call high current rating, you will find nothing about whether they are rated for 1,2,3...or all channels driven. Also, they are specified as "instantaneous" numbers, with no specifics about the duration. So how conservative are those numbers, does anyone know for sure?

Further, the steet price of a AVR745 is quite a bit higher than those for a comparable RX-V2700, or AVR3806. The 745 gives a "conservative ratings" of 85WX7. The RX-V2700 and the AVR3806 probably boost 130WX7 but if you bench test all 3 of them, the 745 will likely come out at the bottom. Bench tests by H.T. mag and S&V mag did show the 635 came out at the bottom when compared with the 3805 and an equivalent Elite model a couple of years ago. An informed buyer would have no trouble figuring out HK simply don't have the highest W/$ when compared with similarly priced products offer by their competitors.

I do think HK makes very good receivers. I just find it strange that people would fall for that "conservative rating" marketing hype so easily.

 

[PENG]

I am an electrical engineer. I did a senior year project on amplifiers.

With all due respect, that's not quite relevant so far in everything being stated in this thread. The OP asked about Yamaha's 5990 and HK's 140. The 5990 carries a much higher price tag but also offers much more features and power. It is not even close to be considered a fair comparison. One certainly does not need to be an E.E. to figure it out. What puzzles me most is your reference to the "one trasistor per channel,....discrete transistors etc...." As far as I know, even the entry level 140 uses discrete components in their output stages, no?

 

[mtrycrafts]

What puzzles me most is your reference to the "one trasistor per channel,....discrete transistors etc...." As far as I know, even the entry level 140 uses discrete components in their output stages, no?

Maybe that was a rush project to finish school?

 

[tdamocles]

Look here. There are some older receiver reviews in this site.