Which Av Receiver is best for me?

K

KRAZYxKLOWNx

Audiophyte
Hey everyone, I have always been a fan of Yamaha receivers but am beginning to fear that they aren't so fantastic anymore, I have a budget of $2000 Australian to purchase a receiver and am mainly looking for the musical unit i can get. I want something with a lot of punch and have been looking at the Marantz receivers for a fair bit now but some just don't have such a high power rating as the yamaha's do. Pioneer I was told is not the best but I did quite mind the sound it reproduced and i am just thinking that it has a really solid power supply.
Your opinions will be very helpful

Thanks:confused:
 
B

blued888

Audioholic
I upgraded from a Yamaha RX-V430 to the Yamaha RX-V663 and there was a difference in sound. The 663 provided a much fuller sound, the 430 sounded quite thin. With your budget, you might be able to get a Yamaha RX-V3800 (Don't know how much they are in Australia).

When picking a receiver, you mainly look at its feature set (not the power ratings), if you really want to drive speakers loud... I suggest you look at a receiver and power amplifier combo.
 
TheFactor

TheFactor

Audioholic Field Marshall
I have a Pioneer elite 94 and I LOVE IT, plenty of power with 140watts x 7 and its beautiful to look at to . I've had for around 7 months and bought it new and have had no problems and im driving some Paradigms 60,s fronts and A MASSIVE lol c690 center. I beleive pioneer has a new Elite set of receivers out now to . Good luck with your decision:)
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Hey everyone, I have always been a fan of Yamaha receivers but am beginning to fear that they aren't so fantastic anymore, I have a budget of $2000 Australian to purchase a receiver and am mainly looking for the musical unit i can get. I want something with a lot of punch and have been looking at the Marantz receivers for a fair bit now but some just don't have such a high power rating as the yamaha's do. Pioneer I was told is not the best but I did quite mind the sound it reproduced and i am just thinking that it has a really solid power supply.
Your opinions will be very helpful

Thanks:confused:
What are the features most important to you? If you can along with ctyptic on screen menues, then try to get a Yamaha RX-V1800 ( not the newr 1900 only from a cost point of view) for around $850.00US. Its a full featured receiever, 130wattsx7, does all the Hi Def codecs, and does all video conversion up to 1080p. It does NOT have one the satelite radio formats (can't remember which one off the top of my head) nor does it have a true color GUI. But if you can live without these features, its a very good receiver to have.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I upgraded from a Yamaha RX-V430 to the Yamaha RX-V663 and there was a difference in sound. The 663 provided a much fuller sound, the 430 sounded quite thin. With your budget, you might be able to get a Yamaha RX-V3800 (Don't know how much they are in Australia).

When picking a receiver, you mainly look at its feature set (not the power ratings), if you really want to drive speakers loud... I suggest you look at a receiver and power amplifier combo.
This guy is right on. If you want power then get an amplifier, pre-amp combo.

If you want a good receiver you can add a nice amp to later down the line then I suggest you look at an Onkyo 705. I have one and love it. It has pre-amp outputs and runs pretty cheap compared to your budget.

However it must be said that a 705 has plenty of power for most mid-fi and even some low end hi-fi equipment at healthy listening levels.

Speakers are far more important than your amp. Improving your speakers will have a much bigger difference than upgrading your receiver.

You said you prefer listening to music? So I suggest you look at a 2.1 or 2.0 setup with some really nice towers paired with a good sub.

If you want to watch movies then you will want probably get the heaviest receiver in your budget with all the features. FYI if you run a receiver in 2 channel mode then you are going to get a lot more power out of the fronts. For music I suggest you just listen in a two channel stereo mode.
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

Banned
Hey everyone, I have always been a fan of Yamaha receivers but am beginning to fear that they aren't so fantastic anymore, I have a budget of $2000 Australian to purchase a receiver and am mainly looking for the musical unit i can get. I want something with a lot of punch and have been looking at the Marantz receivers for a fair bit now but some just don't have such a high power rating as the yamaha's do. Pioneer I was told is not the best but I did quite mind the sound it reproduced and i am just thinking that it has a really solid power supply.
Your opinions will be very helpful

Thanks:confused:

Remember power is logritmic. The defining equation for decibels, which sound is measured in, is A = 10*log10(P2/P1) (dB)

So the differcent between 100 watt and 140 watt is only 1.46 decibles.

100W
200W = +3dB
400W = +6dB
800W = +9db
1000W = +10db (10 times the original power of 100 watts)


Look at your speakers. If they are typical 8 ohm and at least average sensitivity ( 88-90 dB) or higher then either receiver will work that has a typical rating 90 watts or higher per channel. The sound produced is a product of the speaker quality and not the receiver.


Good Luck!

MidCow2

P.S.- I like Marantz ;)
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Remember power is logritmic. The defining equation for decibels, which sound is measured in, is A = 10*log10(P2/P1) (dB)

So the differcent between 100 watt and 140 watt is only 1.46 decibles.

100W
200W = +3dB
400W = +6dB
800W = +9db
1000W = +10db (10 times the original power of 100 watts)


Look at your speakers. If they are typical 8 ohm and at least average sensitivity ( 88-90 dB) or higher then either receiver will work that has a typical rating 90 watts or higher per channel. The sound produced is a product of the speaker quality and not the receiver.


Good Luck!

MidCow2

P.S.- I like Marantz ;)
This fact needs to be pounded into the heads of people. It's the speakers that matter most not the receiver. Unless your receiver is just junk.
 
cym_city

cym_city

Junior Audioholic
Remember power is logritmic. The defining equation for decibels, which sound is measured in, is A = 10*log10(P2/P1) (dB)

So the differcent between 100 watt and 140 watt is only 1.46 decibles.

100W
200W = +3dB
400W = +6dB
800W = +9db
1000W = +10db (10 times the original power of 100 watts)


Look at your speakers. If they are typical 8 ohm and at least average sensitivity ( 88-90 dB) or higher then either receiver will work that has a typical rating 90 watts or higher per channel. The sound produced is a product of the speaker quality and not the receiver.


Good Luck!

MidCow2

P.S.- I like Marantz ;)
I'm sure this is a total rookie question but I'll ask it anyway since I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering this. With the return being so small compared to the power input what benefit is there to spend $1000 (or any amount) on an amp?
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

Banned
Why more power ?

I'm sure this is a total rookie question but I'll ask it anyway since I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering this. With the return being so small compared to the power input what benefit is there to spend $1000 (or any amount) on an amp?

Some of the really. really high end speakers have less than 4 ohms nominal impedance and sometimes they have a lower sensitivity than average. some even approaching 80dB and even though they sound really really sweet, bright, brilliant, awesome, phenomenal, they suck tons and tons of power.

The amps are needed when you start going really high end. Second some amps are not as effective in the higher end range of their power band.

Then you start going to separate preprocessors and amps instead of a single tuner ( or you use the preporcessor output of an AVR) and connect it too a separate power amp.

And then again some people just want power and more power...not that they always listen at a 105 dB level :D

JMHOYMMV (Just My Humble Opinion, Your Mileage May Vary),

MidCow2
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I'm sure this is a total rookie question but I'll ask it anyway since I'm sure I'm not alone in wondering this. With the return being so small compared to the power input what benefit is there to spend $1000 (or any amount) on an amp?
In most cases, there is no real benefit, only the placebo effect. But, as Midcow2 says, there are speakers that are low impedance, or inefficient, and they may benefit from better amplification than what one typically finds in the average receiver. That is why, the first thing you should pick are the speakers you want, and then select amplification according to what you need.

In most cases, people budget their money very improperly for optimal sound. I was running a surround system with a receiver that retails for about $600 with speakers that retailed for well over $6,000. It sounded great (as it should with such expensive speakers). Because I wanted more features, I replaced the old receiver with one that retails for about $1600, which happens to be able to put out about twice the power of my old receiver. Guess what? They sound the same, unless I engage a feature that I did not previously have. I did not need any more power than what I originally had, as my speakers are an easy impedance to drive, and are of normal efficiency, and I have a normal room.

In most cases, people who add a power amplifier never level match it and compare it to their receiver's amplification in a blind listening test, so they never properly test whether or not it really helped. And with human beings, once they have decided that something will help and they spend the money and go the trouble of adding it, most likely they will be convinced that it really did help, even if there is no real benefit. Since most people have no concept of proper testing, it is easy for them to believe all sorts of things that are false.

Although your question is a rookie question, it is a very good question to ask.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Remember power is logritmic. The defining equation for decibels, which sound is measured in, is A = 10*log10(P2/P1) (dB)

So the differcent between 100 watt and 140 watt is only 1.46 decibles.

100W
200W = +3dB
400W = +6dB
800W = +9db
1000W = +10db (10 times the original power of 100 watts)


Look at your speakers. If they are typical 8 ohm and at least average sensitivity ( 88-90 dB) or higher then either receiver will work that has a typical rating 90 watts or higher per channel. The sound produced is a product of the speaker quality and not the receiver.


Good Luck!

MidCow2

P.S.- I like Marantz ;)
Just adding for people's reference. Every 10 db doubles the volume to most humans. Wanted to make sure people didn't think dB was linear.
 
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