Which A/V Receiver - Onkyo or Denon

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goesto11

Audiophyte
Problems w/Denon 3310ci & may want to replace with Onkyo

New to the forum and have spent the last 4+ hours or so reading threads to see if I can resolve a problem I'm having with my new Denon 3310ci which replace my Kenwood Sovereign VR5700 (only works in stereo now :(). I might as well apologize for the super long post, but the “read this before posting” thread did say to be specific :D.

Current set up: Paradigm speakers - monitor 9s (v.5) front, CC-290 center, adp 390 surrounds & PW 2200 sub. Currently using an Oppo 980h, but have a Panasonic BD-60 blu-ray arriving next week.

Here's the problem. Last night I finally got a chance to really try it out and put in a favorite CD. Much to my dismay, the audio quality from CD playback was not nearly as good as my Kenwood. Not good. This may be due to the fact that despite both Audessy and manual set up (after a call to Denon support), I still can’t get any audio play back from the subwoofer. The test tone comes through loud & clear though (go figure…). I spent a couple of hours yesterday and more time today trying to fix the subwoofer problem along with adjusting tone and/or Audessy manual EQ settings. I've tried about every possible combination of setting to get some sort of audio playback out of the sub but to no avail. Furthermore, disregarding the sub, I still can’t find a combination of tone and/or Audessy manual EQ settings to make the sound quality for CD playback I had with my Kenwood using only the front speakers for playback.

At this point, I'm having some serious doubts about this receiver, and am quite concerned I just made a $1500 mistake even if the subwoofer output did work properly. The front speakers lower range is about 50hz and I don’t recall that much of a change in sound with sub play back as well using my Kenwood. As it stands, I guess I'm in the "Denon sound's thin" camp.

Normally, this wouldn’t be too much of an issue, but for several reasons, I wasn't able to set up the receiver and try it out until right as my return period ended. I thought I had the subwoofer issue resolved, and since world + dog loves Denon, I figured I was safe. I called the online retailer today, and it is still possible I could return/exchange the receiver – especially if the subwoofer issue can’t be resolved.

Assuming I can return/exchange it, I'm trying to decide whether I should stick with the Denon since it may sound fine once I get the subwoofer problem fixed and refine the set up settings, or exchange it for an TX-SR876, or better yet(?) the3007 (or whatever the 2009 version is called). I have my doubts about the former, but either way, I’ll have to make a final decision by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. The Denon was a little over budget, but I'd rather eat ramen for a month (so to speak) and get a receiver I love than end up with a $1500 receiver I don't like.

I'm asking for help because I don't have any experience with Onkyo receiver and little experience with Denon. I want to make sure that I haven't judged the Denon unfairly due to all the set up problems and unfamiliarity. The questions I have are as follows:

-- I've read that there were big firmware issues in the 8x5 series and firmware updates where a huge pain b/c Onkyo required you send the receiver to a "local" authorized repair center. Has the latest firmware fixed the bugs? Any news on whether the 2009 models will allow for user firmware upgrades?

-- Onkyo's are said to run hot by almost everyone. I don't think that will be a problem as I have an open rack with 11" of shelf space height for the receiver. Still, all that heat makes me a bit concerned about longevity. Is is really that much hotter than a Denon? Any comments on build quality/longevity? I don't plan on replacing this receiver for a few years.

-- Any comments on how well an 876 would match up with my speakers compared to the Denon? I did read the comments about how it's all digital and so there should be no discernable difference in sound (assuming no tonal controls used) between solid state receivers. I agree with that in principle, but IMO there's enough variations (different DACs, or DAC settings per manufacturer, other components, etc.) that it could make a noticable, if slight difference.

-- I'll probably lose all credibility with this statement, but I always had "loudness" on during CD audio play back w/ my Kenwood along with a slight bump in bass/treble. JMO, but I loved the way audio (rock music) sounded with those settings. Tone adjustments were turned off during video playback. Can select "loudness" for CD/audio playback (i.e. THX mode is turned off) and have tone adjusted as well?

-- Like others, I'm not a fan of the Denon GUI or remote. Much too complex to make changes in settings or even find things. Ideally, I would like something that's quick and easy to change the tone/loudness settings (for when I go from music to video) and stereo to surround modes (i.e. Prologic II). I have quite a bit of older DVDs and computer video files that are stereo, and prefer to listen to them in Prologic II surround. From what I can tell from the 876 owners manual, it looks like it's a simple press of a button to get to those selections and make changes - is that correct? For any one who’s owned both, how does the GUI & remote operation compare?

Again, sorry for the long post and appreciate any advice, comments, etc. you have.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Onkyo TX-SR876

Hi goesto11, and Welcome to Audioholics. :)

I personally own the Onkyo TX-SR876, and I chose it over the Denon AVR-3808CI,
and even the AVR-4308CI, which are higher models than your Denon AVR-3310CI.
(The AVR-3310CI is the replacement of the AVR-2809CI.)

I highly recommend the 876. So, if you can exchange it, trade it or whatever, just go for it.
Then, let me know your impressions. :)

Here: @ http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR876BLK/Onkyo/TX-SR876-7.1-Channel-Home-Theater-Receiver-black/1.html

* That's the one to get.

Cheers,
Bob

** Note: For info on settings for the AVR-3310CI, you can check these threads,
as I'm sure the 3310CI is a fine receiver in his own right.
But man, you did pay an enormous sum of money to get it. :eek:

1. Denon AVR-4310CI Thread
@ http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1153097

2. *Official* Denon AVR-2809CI/989 Thread
@ http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1057392

-> That might help you. :)
 
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bandphan

bandphan

Banned
New to the forum and have spent the last 4+ hours or so reading threads to see if I can resolve a problem I'm having with my new Denon 3310ci which replace my Kenwood Sovereign VR5700 (only works in stereo now :(). I might as well apologize for the super long post, but the “read this before posting” thread did say to be specific :D.

Current set up: Paradigm speakers - monitor 9s (v.5) front, CC-290 center, adp 390 surrounds & PW 2200 sub. Currently using an Oppo 980h, but have a Panasonic BD-60 blu-ray arriving next week.

Here's the problem. Last night I finally got a chance to really try it out and put in a favorite CD. Much to my dismay, the audio quality from CD playback was not nearly as good as my Kenwood. Not good. This may be due to the fact that despite both Audessy and manual set up (after a call to Denon support), I still can’t get any audio play back from the subwoofer. The test tone comes through loud & clear though (go figure…). I spent a couple of hours yesterday and more time today trying to fix the subwoofer problem along with adjusting tone and/or Audessy manual EQ settings. I've tried about every possible combination of setting to get some sort of audio playback out of the sub but to no avail. Furthermore, disregarding the sub, I still can’t find a combination of tone and/or Audessy manual EQ settings to make the sound quality for CD playback I had with my Kenwood using only the front speakers for playback.

At this point, I'm having some serious doubts about this receiver, and am quite concerned I just made a $1500 mistake even if the subwoofer output did work properly. The front speakers lower range is about 50hz and I don’t recall that much of a change in sound with sub play back as well using my Kenwood. As it stands, I guess I'm in the "Denon sound's thin" camp.

Normally, this wouldn’t be too much of an issue, but for several reasons, I wasn't able to set up the receiver and try it out until right as my return period ended. I thought I had the subwoofer issue resolved, and since world + dog loves Denon, I figured I was safe. I called the online retailer today, and it is still possible I could return/exchange the receiver – especially if the subwoofer issue can’t be resolved.

Assuming I can return/exchange it, I'm trying to decide whether I should stick with the Denon since it may sound fine once I get the subwoofer problem fixed and refine the set up settings, or exchange it for an TX-SR876, or better yet(?) the3007 (or whatever the 2009 version is called). I have my doubts about the former, but either way, I’ll have to make a final decision by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. The Denon was a little over budget, but I'd rather eat ramen for a month (so to speak) and get a receiver I love than end up with a $1500 receiver I don't like.

I'm asking for help because I don't have any experience with Onkyo receiver and little experience with Denon. I want to make sure that I haven't judged the Denon unfairly due to all the set up problems and unfamiliarity. The questions I have are as follows:

-- I've read that there were big firmware issues in the 8x5 series and firmware updates where a huge pain b/c Onkyo required you send the receiver to a "local" authorized repair center. Has the latest firmware fixed the bugs? Any news on whether the 2009 models will allow for user firmware upgrades?

-- Onkyo's are said to run hot by almost everyone. I don't think that will be a problem as I have an open rack with 11" of shelf space height for the receiver. Still, all that heat makes me a bit concerned about longevity. Is is really that much hotter than a Denon? Any comments on build quality/longevity? I don't plan on replacing this receiver for a few years.

-- Any comments on how well an 876 would match up with my speakers compared to the Denon? I did read the comments about how it's all digital and so there should be no discernable difference in sound (assuming no tonal controls used) between solid state receivers. I agree with that in principle, but IMO there's enough variations (different DACs, or DAC settings per manufacturer, other components, etc.) that it could make a noticable, if slight difference.

-- I'll probably lose all credibility with this statement, but I always had "loudness" on during CD audio play back w/ my Kenwood along with a slight bump in bass/treble. JMO, but I loved the way audio (rock music) sounded with those settings. Tone adjustments were turned off during video playback. Can select "loudness" for CD/audio playback (i.e. THX mode is turned off) and have tone adjusted as well?

-- Like others, I'm not a fan of the Denon GUI or remote. Much too complex to make changes in settings or even find things. Ideally, I would like something that's quick and easy to change the tone/loudness settings (for when I go from music to video) and stereo to surround modes (i.e. Prologic II). I have quite a bit of older DVDs and computer video files that are stereo, and prefer to listen to them in Prologic II surround. From what I can tell from the 876 owners manual, it looks like it's a simple press of a button to get to those selections and make changes - is that correct? For any one who’s owned both, how does the GUI & remote operation compare?
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Are your speakers set to small? And what music mode are you using for CD playback? I don't think its the denon.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
My comments are as follow:

1. I do not know there is a Denon sounds thin camp and would appreciate a link to such camp(s) so I can read up just for knowledge.:D

2. I used to own an older high end Kenwood stereo amplifier and I have great respect for their quality. I don't recall ever using loudness but in contrast I do remember it has something like a pure direct button that lights up when pressed; and I always used it for stereo listening. You cannot compare two receiver's SQ with any EQ on. "Loudness" is a sort of EQ in a significant way.

3. I used to own a Denon 1705 that weighs about 23 lbs and it did not thin. A mid range receiver from Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer or Onkyo should not, and will not sound thin as long as they are used within their capabilities. Your speakers are not hard to drive at all.

4. It is possible that you have a defective unit but you may want to read through your manual carefully in case somehow you the sub was disabled or the subout level set too low.

5. If you are in fact comparing to the Kenwood with loudness on, then you may want to try manually increase the bass and treble (hopefully you can find it in the convoluted menu) to the maximum just to see if that's the reason for the perceived thin sound. I think that may be the easiest way to simulate turning on "loudness".

6. I believe most mid range receivers do not sound thin (as long as they are used within their power capability), but their EQ settings could make one sound thinner than the other, you should always compare them in pure direct mode. In pure direct mode you always don't have to worry about whether the speakers are set to small or large.

7. Check you front speaker connections to make sure you have the right polarities on both sides, though any mistakes should have been detected by Audyssey.

8. If you typically listen with "loudness" on and prefer prologic mode to stereo, you are not in the "pure" camp so it should be easy for you to just sit back and enjoy your new toy (whether it is a 3310 or 876) once you have the settings sorted out or the defective unit replaced, and the settings tweaked to your liking.
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
Sometimes a defective Audyssey microphone will throw settings way off. I've heard of this happening.
 
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goesto11

Audiophyte
First, I'd like to say thank you to everyone who replied so promptly. I sincerely appreciate it. Again, sorry for another long post, but I wanted to respond to everyone who took the time to reply.

1) All connections have been checked repeatedly and are working fine. Also, the Audessy mic worked fine & there were zero problems during Audessy set up. I just wasn’t thrilled at all with the results.

2) I never listen to stereo recorded music in anything other in stereo mode. It's only stereo movie/tv audio that I usually, but not always, use the Prologic II mode. Like anything else, I use whatever sounds best to me. Frankly, I don’t think I’m losing any “purity” doing this when watching Patten (no multi-channel audio on the DVD version I have), or mkv/avi/ogm video files with stereo only audio. If I am, so be it. Like I said, if it sounds bad, I can always switch the output back to stereo. What is important is that I have a choice to do so, and it’s not a whipping to go back & forth between the two modes.

3) I've tried having the front speakers set at "large" and at "small" as well as setting the sub to LFE and LFE + Main. In all cases, I still do not get any sub output (no signal at all) in stereo mode (I know direct/pure modes are different), nor can I get close to the tone I loved with my Kenwood. FWIW, I’ve spent a decent amount of time adjusting bass & treble tone as well the Audessy manual EQ. In fact, the best I can do so far is a combination of both.

I spent an hour+ w/ ABT tech support earlier today (BTW - I’ve been very happy with their customer support so far). We went through all the settings…again. With the front speakers set to “small” we got the sub to work in multichannel playback mode (not one of the Prologic II modes), but still not in stereo mode. I’m going to try front = large later this evening & I bet it will work. However, there may still be something wrong with the receiver as it is supposed to output to both fronts + sub in stereo playback. The ABT tech is going to do some research (something about separate stereo settings he couldn’t find) and get back to me. He did say that he would recommend that I’m allowed to exchange regardless of whether we can get subwoofer output in stereo mode to work or not. NICE.

One odd thing happened during the testing w/ ABT tech. There was a huge drop overall volume between multi-channel playback and stereo – and I’m not talking about a moderate drop in perceived volume b/c I went from 5 speaker output to 2. With my Kenwood, there was also a change in perceived volume, but not nearly that much of a difference and it was the multi-channel output which sounded quieter (always had to turn it up a bit when I switched). What’s really strange is that the channel level for each front speaker in stereo is -1.5db vs. -5db for both in multi-channel playback. I would think that much of a difference in db reduction would make stereo mode noticeably louder. Perhaps is caused by some hidden stereo input or output settings that are incorrect, or maybe because the Audessy manual EQ doesn’t work in stereo mode and that boosted volume. If any of the Denon guys have an idea of what’s going on, please let me know.

4) Re: Loudness. 100% guilty, but I know exactly what I like when it comes down to mix, balance, tone, etc. for music so that’s what I’m aiming for. As an audiophile friend of mine said, it all comes down to personal preference. Please keep in mind that I am only talking about rock music (and/or pop depending upon how it's defined). For jazz, classical, blues, etc. I wouldn’t use the same tone adjustments and maybe no tone adjustments at all. It just depends. Even with rock/pop, I’ll change tone settings on the fly if something seems a bit off to me. Again, what’s important is having the option to use “loudness.” I can always turn it off, but I can’t turn it on if it’s not there.

@ Peng: I wouldn’t mind discussing “purity of music”, at least as it relates to rock/pop, in the proper thread/forum subsection. To quote a favorite band (and song) “One likes to believe in the freedom of music…but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity.” That pretty much sums up my viewpoint – artistic concerns are over-ridden by commercialization more and more every year. Better stop here before I get on a rant.

Back on point - unfortunately for me, the whole "loudness" issue may be a mute point. After talking with the ABT tech, it seems that almost no home theater receiver made in the past 5 years has had a loudness function. His comment was that these types of receivers are becoming more and more designed solely for HT purposes rather than HT and music. I guess that’s why so many people have more than one receiver & speaker set. I guess I should hang on to the Kenwood after all…

@ Lordoftherings & other Onkyo 876 owners: would someone please tell me whether the “Loudness Plus” setting advertised on Onkyo’s site is a tone option (i.e. I can use it for stereo music output), or is something available only when THX is on. I’ll look through the owner’s manual tonight, but those things aren’t always clear.

@ Lordoftherings: thanks for the additional notes. I did read those threads before the first set-up, and between that and the Denon and ABT tech support calls, I’m starting to memorize the setup GUI (if that’s possible XD). BTW – I paid $1350 because I ordered pre-sale. The receiver lists for $1500. While there maybe cheaper prices elsewhere, if you don’t buy from a Denon designated authorized dealer, your warranty is void per Denon. Not worth it to me at these prices. Same goes for Onkyo products as well. I think ABT lists the SR876 for $1700 :eek:. *sigh* better stock up on ramen… ;)

5) @ Peng & other Denon owners: Perhaps I shouldn’t have said “I’m in the Denon’s sound thin camp”, but a year or two ago when I planned on upgrading my receiver (before the economy tanked) there were a number of comments on various forum sites saying that the Onkyo 875/805 receivers sounded “warmer” than comparable Denon’s, or that the Denon’s sounded “thin” compared to the Onkyo’s. Even so, you might note that I still bought a Denon, called it a “safe” choice, and said that everyone loves Denon (perhaps a bit colorfully, but I always liked that saying :D). To be perfectly honest, I’m envious that you and lordoftherings are utterly satisfied with your respective receivers, and whether I or someone else thinks Denon sounds “thin” or Onkyo sounds “xyz” really doesn't matter in the end. I only said it because perhaps if there were others who had the same opinion as I, then maybe I would like the same receiver they do.

One last question for Onkyo owners - how often do you use THX mode for movie audio play back, and if you do use it, any comments on the difference it makes?

Currently, I’m waiting to hear back from ABT tech support regarding the sub output in stereo mode problem. I want to see how things sound once it’s working properly before making a final decision. I need to be sure spending another $350 (876) or perhaps even more (3007) is going to be worth it.

Thanks again for everyone’s advice.
 
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Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
My sincere opinion, based on personal experience.

Hi goesto11,

Your posts are certainly very detailed, I like it. :)

I'll address only my section.
* On the Onkyo TX-SR876, in addition to THX Loudness Plus, you also have Audyssey Dynamic EQ, and Audyssey Dynamic Volume. Plus, you have an Equalizer for all the seven channels. It is a very flexible receiver, that you can fine tune to your heart content. And you can use these Audyssey modes with any other audio listening modes you wish.
So, here you go for the Loudness my friend, as it is much more sophisticated than a simple Loudness control. :)
Yes, you can use it for Stereo Music output.
You don't need to be in THX mode.

* I already gave you a great link from a great place to purchase the Onkyo TX-SR876, and for only $850 USA. Accessories 4 Less is a very reputable place, with great service, and you have a full year warranty also.
Now, it's up to you if you want to pay more. But you have that option if you wish so. Many people did, and are extremely happy, so that you know.

** Last, I don't know why you will pay $1,700 at ABT for the 876, but it is only $850 at Accessories 4 Less. This receiver is a superb performer overall, and at that price, is a no-brainer. The rest is up to you to decide.

Best regards,
Bob
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Hello goesto11, I don't really know anything about the new 3310 but I would still be willing to bet that your problem with the perceived thin sound (typically means lack of bass) is due to either something is defective or not set correctly. With the help from Denon tech support I hope you will discover the root cause soon. Regardless, I also think the 876 is a better deal based on specs but my gut feeling is that Denon's mid range receivers are better in terms of reliability and longevity.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
^ I owned Denon components for years. Only my DCD-1500II CD player broke down on me very badly.
But I fixed it somehow, without being perfect.

My PMA-250 Integrated Amp is still running very good.

And my AVR-3805 A/V Receiver is still a delight.

* As for my Onkyo TX-SR805 and TX-SR876, only time will tell. But so far so good. :)

So, as far as reliability and longetivity or durability are concern, I wouldn't give the nod to either one.
Both companies build excellent reliable products.
 
Lordoftherings

Lordoftherings

Banned
Still feeding the company line
:D
I'd go for the Onkyo. It's a prettier receiver. Denon's are not my type of receiver.
Hey how are you lsiberian? :) Nice to see you back in form man.
This is so cool, you're a married man now.
And it already reflects on your posting too. :)

Ya, I got a hitch for Onkyos. But I love my Denons too. :) And Marantz, oh my! :)
You know how it goes lsiberian, you've been there yourself.

Big Cheers & Best regards to you & your wife,
Bob
 
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goesto11

Audiophyte
Once again I want to thank everyone for all the advice. I (finally :rolleyes:) made a decision to return the Denon 3310ci for an Onkyo TX-SR876 after talking w/ ABT tech support again. We simply cannot get the receiver to output to both front speakers and the subwoofer in stereo mode like it should. Even if it did work properly, my gut instinct is that I won't be completely happy with it.

What made up my mind was that ABT did price match the lowest authorized dealer price for a new model (Accessories4less only deals in refurb). Thank God for Amazon because when I did a price check mid afternoon, Amazon charged $1194 vs. $1700 at ABT, Vanns, and all the other authorized online retailers listed on Onkyo’s website. The BEST part about it was that when I finally was able to call ABT back 3 hours later to finalize everything, Amazon had dropped the price another $200 :eek:, which was the price ABT matched! Final price for my brand new SR876 = $993.94 :D :D :D That's $356 less than I paid for the Denon. It would be nice if the SR876 had a USB connection, so I could play FLAC files off an external HDD, but for the price I paid I can live that! I can use my WD TV HD Media player for that anyway if I want to do so.

Frankly, I feel pretty lucky to be able to return the Denon past the normal 30 day return period. Prior experience in these cases has been I'm SOL. All I can say is that I don't know how ABT could have provided better customer support. I spent over an hour with tech support Sunday alone trouble shooting, and probably another 2 hours for other calls over the past 3 days. Both sales & tech gave me direct phone numbers, and returned my calls the same day. If this seems like an "ad" or if I unintentionally violated forum rules, I apologize. I don’t work for the company – in fact, I’ve never ordered anything from there before. It’s just that with so much crappy or non existent customer support out there, I think it’s only fair to give credit when someone(s) does an exceptional job.

The Onkyo should arrive later next week since I decided to delay shipping until they get the Denon. That way the cost of the Onkyo nets out against the credit for the Denon return. LOL – I wouldn’t be surprised if I break down & tell them to go ahead and charge me for the SR876 so I can have it ASAP! XD. Either way, I'll report back whenever I get everything set up.
 
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goesto11

Audiophyte
TX - NR1007/3007/5007 specs

FYI - TX- NR1007, NR3007 & NR5007 announced yesterday. I still can't find an official press release on Onkyo USA website , but a few sites are already posting specs. I figured that was the reason for the sudden drop in price by Amazon. Looks like other sites have chopped a quite a bit off the 876 as well. Evidently, networking capability is worth a few hundred since there didn't seem to be much of a drop in price for the 906.

I can post a link yet (>_>...) So I cut & pasted what I found on a german AV site which had the most detailed specs. Please note that I had to cut some of the written description to make it fit. I tried to take out only the more obvious stuff.

Note that the NR1007 uses the venerable Faroudja DCDi... Yikes! I also found one US website listing the NR3007 for pre-sale/special order at $1900.

I would like USB, Prologic IIz and ethernet, but not for almost twice the price. Since I'm waiting for a credit before getting the 876, maybe the NR906 will drop a few hundred the next 3 or 4 days. :)
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Onkyo reasserts its high-end home entertainment credentials with the launch of three Network AV Receivers

Onkyo, one of the world's premier hi-fi and home cinema brands, has some excellent news for high-end home cinema and music enthusiasts - the launch of three truly awe-inspiring THX Ultra2 Plus-certified 9.2-channel Network AV Receivers.

KEY FEATURES – TX-NR5007

* THX Ultra2 Plus-certified performance... the ultimate home cinema benchmark
* Eight HDMI inputs (including one front-mounted)/Two outputs
* DLNA 1.5 and Windows 7-compatible Networking Capability for Streaming Audio and Internet Radio Connectivity for LastFM/vRadio
* Audyssey DSX and Dolby Pro Logic IIz decoding
* 1080p video upscaling via HQV Reon VX video processor
* 220w per channel
* Bi-amping and BTL (Bridged Transless) capability
* ISF Video calibration
* Jitter Control Technology for cleaner sounding audio
* 4 x dedicated DSP modes for Gamers
* Triple transformer layout for main power (toroidal), audio and video
* 3-Stage Inverted Darlington circuitry for high efficiency and low distortion
* 6 x Ultra-low jitter Burr-Brown 192kHz/32-bit DACs (PCM1795)
* 32-bit Texas Instruments 'Aureus' DSP chips (1 x DA830, 2 x DA788 )
* 4 optical/3 coaxial inputs
* U.Port for one-cable connection to optional iPod dock/DAB+ modules
* Front/rear USB ports (usable for Firmware Updates)
* Pre-programmed bi-directional backlit remote with macro capability
* Firmware updatable over the internet


With eight HDMI inputs (there are two outputs) consumers will never be short of connectivity...

Audio networking is a key feature of the TX-NR5007 in the form of a DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) 1.5/Windows 7-compatible Network Capability that allows it to both replay streaming audio files and access popular Internet Radio services such as LastFM/vTuner (subject to availability). MP3, FLAC, Ogg Vorbis, AAC, LPCM, WAV, WMA and WMA Lossless files are all handled with ease. The other big bonus networking gives is that the TX-NR5007's firmware can be conveniently updated (if and when necessary) over the Internet, saving both time, expense and effort.

When it comes to dealing with High Definition Audio the TX-NR5007's talents can be summed up thus... it is equipped to deal with absolutely every format that currently exists: DTS-HD Master Audio, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus. Audiophiles who favour SACD should also be pleased to hear that this receiver has a DSD Direct facility, designed to extract the very best from the format, a feature rarely found on home cinema receivers.

Under the skin Onkyo has pulled out all the stops to cram in the latest state-of-the-art technologies including specially selected Burr-Brown PCM1795 192kHz/32-bit DACs (digital to analogue converters) for all channels. When it comes to DACs these are among the best that money can buy, offering a tremendously dynamic performance and a high inherent resistance to clock jitter. If that wasn't enough Onkyo's engineers have implemented ultra-low jitter PLL (Phase Locked Loop) circuitry to reduce overall jitter levels even further.

As well as those top-flight DACs Onkyo has...three highly-specced TI 'Aureus' DSP chips (1 x DA830, 2 x DA788 )...

On a more physical level the TX-NR5007 is equipped with no fewer than three transformers... plus newly developed, custom-designed high power transistors along with two substantial 22,000uf Audiophile-grade capacitors.

...while setting up one's speakers can be done manually, for ease of installation many will opt to use the well-established Audyssey MultEQ XT microphone-based automatic speaker calibration system. Other convenience aids from Audyssey include Dynamic Volume (designed to solve the problem of variations in level when switching from channel to channel) and Dynamic EQ (an integral part of Dynamic Volume which ensures a consistent bass response, tonal balance and surround impression, regardless of volume level).

Audyssey DSX, for instance, allows owners the choice of incorporating a pair of 'front wide’ instead of the usual surround back speakers, placed at around 60 degrees off-centre.

When Audyssey DSX is engaged it enhances the surround-sound experience by adding extra presence and depth to the soundstage. Alternatively, it can also allow additional front speakers to deliver non-directional 'front height' information (effects such as rain etc), in a similar way to DPL IIz (introduced on consumer receivers first, by Onkyo, earlier in 2009).

Owners of iPods/iPhones will appreciate the receiver's inclusion of Onkyo's proprietary U.Port (Universal Port). This new standard permits a convenient one-cable connection (no separate power connection required) to add-on modules such as the recently introduced optional UP-A1 dock. As well as transmitting high quality audio from your iPod/iPhone to your speakers the UP-A1 also permits the streaming of HD video from the device to your screen, all routed via the TX-NR5007 and delivered via HDMI at 1080p video resolution... the UP-A1 has a built-in OSD facility that allows you to stay seated and navigate/select content on your device via your TV screen.

Owners of older Onkyo docks that use the company's RI (Remote Interactive) protocol will still be able to use them (as well as more recent models such as the DS-A3) with these TX-NR5007 fully supports the RI system. For those who own other media devices Onkyo has provided two USB ports (one at the front, one at the rear)... all the bases are covered (Firmware Upgrades can also be carried out via USB if internet access is not available).

Radio fans are treated to a fine quality onboard AM/FM tuner but for even more choice UK owners will also be able to purchase a U.Port-compatible UP-DT1 DAB+ digital radio tuner. This is a small module that can be used on its own or, alternatively, 'daisy-chained' alongside the UP-A1 if owners want access to iPod/iphone and digital radio sources at the same time.

In acknowledgement of the huge importance of gaming in the modern age this receiver features four new Games DSP Modes, allowing audio reproduction to be specifically tailored when you’re playing Sports, Action, RPG (Role Playing Game) or Rock-type games (that’s ‘Rock’ as in Guitar Hero!). Gamers are constantly looking for an edge and accurate sound effects can prove a real advantage.

Going beyond the main listening area TX-NR5007 owners can take advantage of a Powered Zone 2/Zone3 capability to playback different sources in different rooms. Factor in IR (infrared input/output), 12v trigger (for Zone2/3) capability and RS-232 control and it's obvious this receiver can form the basis for a versatile multi-room audio system.

...Onkyo has provided nine multichannel pre-outs on the TX-NR5007, allowing any the addition of number of external power amplifiers.

KEY FEATURES – TX-NR3007
As per TX-NR5007 but...

* Seven HDMI inputs (including one front-mounted input)/Two outputs
* 200w per channel
* Triple transformer layout for main power (non-toroidal), audio and video
* Three audio inputs (four on the TX-NR5007)

If you don't need quite as much power as the TX-NR5007 wields then the TX-NR-3007 offers an excellent alternative. You get 7 HDMIs instead of 8 plus a single USB versus two (and one less AV input - but its feature set is otherwise very similar.

KEY FEATURES – TX-NR1007
As per TX-NR3007 but...

* Six HDMI inputs (including one front-mounted input)/Two outputs
* 180w per channel
* 1080p video upscaling via Faroudja DCDi video processor
* No USB ports
* Two audio inputs (three on TX-NR3007)
* Single transformer

The 'baby' of this trio (still quite a big kid at 23.5kg!) the TX-NR1007 offers much of the magic of its two higher end companions but makes do with one less HDMI input, a few watts less power (there's a single main transformer instead of three) and no USB ports. Video processing is assigned to a Faroudja DCDi Cinema chipset instead of the HQV Reon-VX found in the higher-level models.

To sum up then, what we have here are three flagship home cinema receivers, each representing a variation on a distinctly high-end theme, each hugely capable and certain to provide years of excitement and pleasure, with both music and movies. All you need do is to decide which one best suits your needs...

* all power outputs are measured at 1 channel driven@6ohms (IEC)
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
Darn, I'm too late to the party. It is indeed a setting on the 3310. I just went throught this with my 2808 (floor model I picked up for a good price).

You need to set up your stereo source for 2.1 or you get no sub.

If there is one reason not to buy Denon, its the manual.
 
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Sevenride

Audiophyte
Guys:

Don't mean to thread jack but I just got my Onkyo 876 and have been fiddling around. Tomorrow I will get the TV and Blue Ray. However, I wanted to at least hear it tonight and I have stupid question: I hooked up my old Sony CD player just to hear the stereo and learned the remote etc. I did not do the Automatic Speaker setup yet--When I started the CD player the music started but I am unable to adjust the volume either through the remote or the master switch--is this because I did not do the speaker set up yet?
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
FWIW:

Page 37 of the 3310 manual:
Manual setup
- Audio Setup
- - 2ch Direct/Stereo
- - - Subwoofer: if Speaker Config.Subwoofer is set to No, the setting is automtically no. If Front setting is small the setting is automatically Yes

They neglect to mention what happens when the fronts are set to large. The Sub is set to no here and you need to set it to yes.
 
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speakerking

Enthusiast
Well i have a question i just bought 2 recievers the denon 4308 ci with new remote for 600 plus tax and also a onkyo 3007 brand new 759 plus tax what is a better reciever ive been hearing about the heat issues with the onkyo and i can confirm this i turned the unit with no speakers hooked up the heat was pouring out towards the back where the audio and video boards are now i know heat kills electronics a/v boards does anyone have a opinon on this and also which would be a better reciever between the two thanks !
 
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drtone

Enthusiast
Weigh Your Decision...Literally

You will find that, at a given price point, an Onkyo AV receiver will weigh much more and usually cost a bit less than the Denon. For example, the Denon AVR-3311CI weighs 28.7 pounds, but an Onkyo TX-NR807 weighs 39.7 pounds, more than one-third more, and he Onkyo also costs about 10% less. The same is true, you will find, at all other price points. Especially when it comes to amps, but also with other types of electronic and electrical parts, generally speaking, the greater the weight, the better the quality. One component will not necessarily be better than another if it weighs more, but it's a sign that there's more in one box than in the other. I have long suspected that folks are paying a lot for that "Denon" badge.
 
dalumberjack

dalumberjack

Audioholic
I'm a Onkyo 5007 owner and couldn't be happier. Never had a problem in over a year +
 

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