Where to upscale?

[BoredSysAdmin]

Disclaimer:
I feel ashamed a bit asking this, but I promise I did search in forums and couldn't find good answer... (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough )

The question is this: My [aging] equipment is : TV:Lg 42PC5D [720p], AVR:TX-SR805 [also 720p limited] and dvd player: Toshiba SD-6980.
I do know my AVR got faroudja dcdi upscaller, while toshiba has Zorad Vadis 7.
Right now dvd is connected with hdmi cable to avr, means dvd is the one who's upscalling dvds.

Dear AHers - do you think I'd be better off using component cables from dvd to avr and upscale using the latter ?

p.s: Another Toshiba dvd player - sd-6915 with same chip didn't seem to impress hometheaterhifi....
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=1&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0#ToshibaSD-6915

 

[Jeepers]

Disclaimer:
I feel ashamed a bit asking this, but I promise I did search in forums and couldn't find good answer... (maybe I wasn't looking hard enough )

The question is this: My [aging] equipment is : TV:Lg 42PC5D [720p], AVR:TX-SR805 [also 720p limited] and dvd player: Toshiba SD-6980.
I do know my AVR got faroudja dcdi upscaller, while toshiba has Zorad Vadis 7.
Right now dvd is connected with hdmi cable to avr, means dvd is the one who's upscalling dvds.

Dear AHers - do you think I'd be better off using component cables from dvd to avr and upscale using the latter ?

p.s: Another Toshiba dvd player - sd-6915 with same chip didn't seem to impress hometheaterhifi....
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=1&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0#ToshibaSD-6915

Have a look at this.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/video-processing-in-dvd-players-receivers-and-displays

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Have a look at this.
http://www.audioholics.com/education/display-formats-technology/video-processing-in-dvd-players-receivers-and-displays

Well, I'm already aware of the basics, what I'm trying to understand is in my case where my dvd player DOES up-scaling, but rather poorly or AVR which SHOULD do a better job upscalling, but only on analog inputs - 805 doesn't upscale HDMI inputs. So let me rephrase the question: Should let dvd player output original signal back to analog so avr can upscale it just stay in all digital realm?

 

[markw]

Component video IS analog.

Personally, I think the TV itself would do the best job given a component input, but YMMV.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Component video IS analog.

In other news 1+1=2... shocking...

Personally, I think the TV itself would do the best job given a component input, but YMMV.

I don't think my inexpensive (at the time of purchase) TV would do better job then mid-range avr and besides it'll kill central video switching advantage..

 

[jostenmeat]

I don't think my inexpensive (at the time of purchase) TV would do better job then mid-range avr

It still probably costs just as much, if not more? The lion's share of the cost in producing the 805 is in the power supply. Not quite 905 power supply, or so I've read, but enough to separate itself from almost all, if not all, of its competition. OTOH, the video processing in the 805 is most likely downright shameful compared to its competition.

and besides it'll kill the video switching advantage..

But, OTOH, you may benefit from having separate video calibrations per source. You also do not have to unnecessarily cut up the signal path. Lastly, don't you has a Harmony remote? Which makes the above somewhat of a moot point?


In any case, I'd let either your player or display do VP before your 805 receiver. However, you can always run the experiment and prove us wrong!

 

[MDS]

I don't think my inexpensive (at the time of purchase) TV would do better job then mid-range avr and besides it'll kill central video switching advantage..

If you set both DVD and receiver to pass-thru, the TV will see the original resolution and do the scaling. Video switching between sources is still intact if all devices are connected to the receiver.

 

[markw]

In other news 1+1=2... shocking...

Sorry 'bout that. I read your second post as such that that your AVR couldn't upscale or pass-through component because it was digital.

I don't think my inexpensive (at the time of purchase) TV would do better job then mid-range avr and besides it'll kill central video switching advantage..

Aside from the switching situation which has little to do with PQ, I'll stand by my suggestion.

In any case, please excuse my incursion into your thread. It won't happen again.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

If you set both DVD and receiver to pass-thru, the TV will see the original resolution and do the scaling. Video switching between sources is still intact if all devices are connected to the receiver.

Hmm, interesting... totally possible.. As I understand you are stand behind idea that my TV will do better job (for PQ) upscaling then my avr??

Sorry 'bout that. I read your second post as such that that your AVR couldn't upscale or pass-through component because it was digital.

What I meant to say is - if video source - dvd - Mpeg2 video is digital, would it make sense to convert it to analog (component) feed it to receiver and let it convert it back to digital and upscale (since my avr won't upscale from hdmi sources)

While I was writing this I realized that having video converted twice probably won't make much sense...
I guess I should just listed to answers sometime and try to understand them...

In any case, please excuse my incursion into your thread. It won't happen again.

No apologies required - it was me who was unclear and sarcastic....
I do value your opinion, it was just unclear to me before...

 

[PENG]

Hmm, interesting... totally possible.. As I understand you are stand behind idea that my TV will do better job (for PQ) upscaling then my avr??

I agree with MDS, but if you want to be sure why not just try both ways.

Scenario 1 - Let the Toshiba DVD player to upscale, i.e. output at 1080p, connect to AVR HDMI input and set video conversion to off, or pass through, or whatever they call it.

Scenario 2 - Set the Toshiba output to 480i, connect to AVR HDMI input and set video conversion to off, or pass through, or whatever they call it. Now you TV will have to convert/upscale the 480i signal to 1080p. In this scenario you may find CV work better than HDMI.

Sit back and watch a DVD movie that you are most familiar with and compare 1 and 2 to see which scenario looks better.