What's Better than Klipsch Quintet SL ??

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Newbie B737

Audiophyte
Please advise! I'm not an expert in this field. Just want the best sounding surround speaker suggestions (for Movies/Music) for a 15' x 15' living room. Just purchased a Pioneer VSX-1019AH-k purely based on online reviews. I'm leaning towards purchasing speakers now from Vanns.com ie. the Klipsch Quintet SL speakers ($400) as well as the Sub-12 ($350). Are there any speakers out there for that $800 approx range than are certainly a BETTER buy? Thanks in advance!
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
I personally don't HATE the quintet, but I also don't think they are a GREAT buy either. Definitely avoid the sub. Thats about the boomiest thing I've heard.

You have tons of options.. do you have the opportunity to go listen to some stuff?
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
There are a lot of speakers that are a lot better than the Klipsch Quintet. But I am guessing that you might have been drawn to them, at least in part, because of their looks and small size?

You've mentioned an $800 budget. I'm guessing you would like a complete 5.1 speaker package for that price?

Your receiver was a great choice, by the way. The Pioneer VSX-1019 is one of the very best of the lower cost receivers out there right now, so congrats on that choice!

So let's get you some speakers and a sub that are worthy of that receiver choice, yes? :)

I'm going to start by making a suggestion that is a bit over your $800 budget. If you can see your way up to spending about $1100, the SVSound S-Series Compact 5.1 Package is about as good as it gets for a complete 5.1 package. The system includes 4 of the SBS-01 small bookshelf speakers for Front L/R and surrounds; the SCS-01 Center; and the very capable PB10-NSD 10" subwoofer. The package itself is $950 and you'd be looking at roughly $150 for shipping.

The SVSound S-Series are very neutral and accurate speakers. They are a sealed design and they are not too picky about placement. You can mount them on the wall without too much negative effect on their sound. And if you can place them optimally, they will reward you with very clear and accurate sound. The PB10-NSD is a great performer and will have plenty of output for your room size. It is likely physically larger than you might expect, but that allows it to perform to a MUCH higher quality level than any sub that you will find in a store-bought package system.

If you want to stick to that $800 budget and you don't mind speakers that are physically a bit bigger and aesthetically a bit uglier :p

The Behringer B2030P are basically unequalled when it comes to accuracy and sound quality for the price. You can find them online for even less than the Amazon price that I've linked. But five or six of them will set you back less than $400! You could mate those with the SVSound PB10-NSD or you could go for one of the even less expensive, but still very impressive subs from Elemental Designs (eD), like the A2-300

That Behringer + eD combo would sound amazing, but it's kinda big and ugly :p

If you just want to keep things simple, keep things inexpensive and keep things pretty good looking, then we come to tSc :)

I'm quite fond of this T-Series package. For the price, the sound quality is kind of unbelievable - except I've heard the Behringer B2030P, so my expectations for low-priced speakers are pretty darn high these days ;) The dipole surround speakers in this tSc package are a real treat. If movies and TV are your main sources, I personally prefer dipole surrounds as they create a more diffuse, ambient, "wrap-around" surround effect that more closely mimics a full-sized movie theater and prevents the surround speakers from being distracting.

If you want to go even more stylish and sleek-looking, then tSc has you covered there as well with one of their TSAT systems. I would recommend this one for your room size and budget.

So those are four possibilities. I think you will find something to your liking among them :) I certainly wouldn't get the Klipsch Quintet myself. Not with these options available ;)

Best of luck!
 
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Newbie B737

Audiophyte
Thanks for the info -
Adwilk - You say the Klipsch Sub12 is the boomiest thing you've heard - Isn't that good then? or is the sound quality poor? Also,no I don't have the opportunity to go listen to different sound systems. I live abroad but fly in and out of the USA frequently (Pilot) so would have to order the stuff online most likely and have it shipped/delivered for my arrival. That's why I'm trying to get as many good reviews as possible.

FirstReflection - I haven't heard the Quintet "SL" model as yet nor the Sub12 - just some reviews that sounded ok. Yes, a complete 5.1 package is what I'm interested in. Are you saying that any of the FOUR choices you gave would be BETTER than the Quintet SL and Sub12 combo? Also, if I where to up my budget to $1,100..... would your first choice be the SV Sound S-Series Compact 5.1 Package? and if so , where would you recommend I order it from?

Cheers!
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
I don't want to put words in Adwilk's mouth, but I think he means that the SUB 12 tends to strongly emphasize certain frequencies over others - an uneven frequency response, in other words. If that's what he meant, I agree. I tried a SUB 12 at home, but didn't care for it. It isn't well braced and I could hear the enclosure resonance. I haven't heard any of the other speakers that were suggested, but they all have great reputations in this forum.
 
adwilk

adwilk

Audioholic Ninja
I don't want to put words in Adwilk's mouth, but I think he means that the SUB 12 tends to strongly emphasize certain frequencies over others - an uneven frequency response, in other words. If that's what he meant, I agree. I tried a SUB 12 at home, but didn't care for it. It isn't well braced and I could hear the enclosure resonance. I haven't heard any of the other speakers that were suggested, but they all have great reputations in this forum.
You pretty much got it right there. The sub was just poor in a lot of ways. Running a frequency sweep across the thing exposed its overwhelming weaknesses.

FirstReflections suggestions are all good. Whats funny, is we all have different tastes I guess. I hate to confuse OP, but I'd like to comment on the suggestions.

The SVS setup is the best posted, it almost belongs in a league of its own based on overall value and quality, but then again, its priced higher. If you could swing the 1100, it'd be hard not to steer you strongly in that direction.

For the behringers, I like the pair I have for music, and while they are truly incredible for the price, don't expect magic. Keep in mind I only have two of them, but I don't see myself liking them for surround sound. But, I like an aggressive speaker for movies, which is why I've always liked certain Klipsch offerings for HT.

I'm indifferent about TSC. I neither love nor hate them. They make a solid product at a fair price and sound IMO very neutral. My biggest issue with them is the center channel. It has to be run a little hot to hear. AND, I didn't care for the wimpy sub in the second package posted.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Cool job, B737! :D

I would say that all 4 of the packages that I suggested are better than the Klipsch Quintet SL. As others have mentioned, the Klipsch SUB12 is just plain not good. And at $350, it's a real waste of money, IMO. The Quintet speakers have some strengths, but they also have a lot of weaknesses. They don't play notes low enough in order to blend well with any subwoofer. The high frequencies are also overly pronounced. At first, they sound detailed, but after a little while, they just sound harsh and you get tired while listening to them - they are grating on the ears.

There are certainly worse speakers out there than the Klipsch. It wouldn't be the end of the world if you bought them. But they are just not what I would recommend or choose to buy if I had $800 to spend on a 5.1 speaker package.

If I had $1100 to spend, yes, the SVSound S-Series Compact 5.1 package is what I would most strongly recommend and what I would buy myself. You can buy it directly from SVSound at the link that I gave. SVSound is an internet-direct company. They make their own speakers and subwoofers and sell them directly to customers - no middle man. If they were sold in a store, you could expect them to easily retail for twice the price that you see on the website - probably more than twice the price in the case of many of their upper-end subwoofers. That is why they are such a tremendous value. You are really getting them in the most cost-effective way possible.

The PB10-NSD subwoofer is head and shoulders above any other sub that is close to its price. And that is part of why the SVSound package is more expensive than the others. Compared to the T250 subwoofer found in both of the tSc packages, the PB10-NSD is in a totally different league and is capable of both loudness and quality that the tSc subwoofer cannot possibly match.

That said, the T250 is loads better than the Klipsch SUB 12. And if you need to keep the budget and not go over $800, either of the tSc packages is better than the Klipsch speakers.

If you can stretch your budget and afford the SVSound S-Series Compact 5.1 Package - buy it. It is an absolutely wonderful speaker package for someone who is fairly new to home theater because it is neutral, accurate and yet, still easy to place and sounds great in almost any room. You will be WAY ahead of most people in terms of sound quality.

Best of luck!
 
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Newbie B737

Audiophyte
Yes FirstReflection - is actually is a cool job but like most jobs there are cons too.... Like flying through the nights arriving just after sunrise and then you're a wreck for the day etc etc..... Anyways, Thanks so much for the info so far! I'm sold!! ie, I'm sold on NOT buying the Klipsh Quintet SL's.
I'm definitely going to budget more towards speakers (say $1200) and was willing to take your (FirstReflection's) advice and go with the SVSound S-Series Compact 5.1 Package .......... BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT !! then, now that in that price range I'm reading a whole lot of reviews/comments about the EMP Impressions which also have a 5.1 Package on this Audioholics Store for $1,075 (FREE Ship) which includes 2 E5Ti Tower Speakers etc.

Sooooo, what the BETTER choice between those 2 systems now??
If looks were everything.... I'll say the EMPs are superior in everyway to the SVS.... hmmm

PS. I saw that the SVS Series also have a SCS-01 (M) package VS a SBS-01 package. The SCS-01's are better and better than the SBS-01 - no?

PPS. Can anyone compare the Velodyne Impact-10 subwoofer to the EMP Impression ES10i Subwoofer? There are both the same price.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
The EMP Impression speakers are better looking - no contest there!

The SVSound subwoofer is head and shoulders above the EMP or Velodyne Impact-10 - no contest there.

The SCS-01 M speakers can play a little bit lower and a little bit louder than the SBS-01 speakers - that's about it. For your room size, the SBS-01 would be plenty.

If you are going to spend a bit more than even the SBS-01 compact package, spend it on the even more capable PB12-NSD subwoofer for sure!

Four SBS-01 speakers for front L/R and surrounds with the SCS-01 center and the PB12-NSD instead of the PB10-NSD is the best possible use of your money if pure sound quality is your number one priority.

A really great subwoofer is what takes a system from being good to being WOW. A lot of people go after the tower front speakers, not realizing that a terrific subwoofer can do the job even better.

I've yet to hear the EMP Impression speakers for myself. But I am quite willing to trust Tom Andry's review and he found them to be pleasing, but less than neutral and accurate. People have individual preferences, of course. The EMP might be more to your particular liking than to mine. But I favor neutrality, transparency and accuracy and the SVSound speakers are a great choice for those qualities.

So if we're talking a $1200 budget, without hesitation, I would point you to the same compact S-Series SVSound speakers, but with the tremendous value and performance of the larger PB12-NSD subwoofer :D
 
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nunstiba

Audiophyte
Great info! Really informative. It is helpful for me.:mad::p
 
anamorphic96

anamorphic96

Audioholic General
I agree completely with First reflections suggestions. The SVS is one of the best package deals around. But there is also HSU Research. They have some very impressive packages and they make some of the finest subwoofers in the business.

Take a look at this link and some of the packages available. They are hard to beat for the price.

http://hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast1.html

The HSU package would probably work better with the Pioneer receiver you purchased as they are noticeably more efficient and would offer you more dynamic headroom.
 
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Newbie B737

Audiophyte
Hi First reflections, I'm about to purchase the SVS SCS-01M 5.1 complete system. SCS all 3 fronts and SBS-01 surrounds.

The surrounds are 25ft from receiver (Pioneer -1019AH-K) and the main fronts are 7ft from receiver.

What speaker cables and gauge do you recommend ?? and for a PB12-NSD subwoofer?
Thanks.
 
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LabRat

Audioholic Intern
Svs

Hi Newbie,

After tireless reading (sadly not listenning to these) I just purchased and set-up that exact system albeit w/ a larger of their cylinder subs.

Bottom line you will not be dissapointed with SVS. Their customer service is great. Email them or call if you have any questions. I ordered this set last Sunday and installed them Wednesdat night. Still playing w/ location of the speakers... but they sound great to me. There are better speakers out there, but not likely for the price.

Good luck.
 
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