Whatever happened to graphic equalizers?

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ssn vet

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Back in the day it seemed like every serious stereo system had a graphic e.q. and I used to run a 12 band eq (which I still have) and spent a fair bit of time dialing in the sound to my preferences.

Nowadays, I don't seem to see them anywhere and I'm not sure I couldn't hook mine up (RCA jacks) if I wanted to.

Are EQs a relic of the past?

Have they been superseded by all of the digital processing options?

Inquiring minds want to know :^)
 
Bizarro_Stormy

Bizarro_Stormy

Audioholics Whac-A-Mole'er™
EQs have basically been integrated into the AVR's room correction software, I believe...

Audyssey, MCACC, Dirac etc...
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
What do you have to connect it to? New avrs do often have some on-board eq in the form of room correction routines like Bizarro mentions, and/or a separate manual eq, but most (can't think of any that do) will not have the external tape loop/main in-out for inserting an outboard eq. If you had a pre-pro, you could insert something with more possibilities from miniDSP between that pre-pro and the amps. There are a few graphic eq's available if you look around. You looking for just 2ch or ?
 
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ssn vet

Enthusiast
So it sounds like the YPAO feature on the receiver is essentially doing the EQ function for me.

Is that correct?
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Back in the day it seemed like every serious stereo system had a graphic e.q. and I used to run a 12 band eq (which I still have) and spent a fair bit of time dialing in the sound to my preferences.

Nowadays, I don't seem to see them anywhere and I'm not sure I couldn't hook mine up (RCA jacks) if I wanted to.

Are EQs a relic of the past?

Have they been superseded by all of the digital processing options?

Inquiring minds want to know :^)
I would bet that more speakers were damaged by the mis-use of graphic equalizers than any other way. I have seen them used for boosting the level with all bands raised, I have seen them with every other band boosted and the others dropped to their minimum and other configurations, all because "It looks cool", which has absolutely nothing to do with their intended use.

Some companies decided that sound quality mattered and that they would make better products, that didn't need an equalizer used by someone who didn't know the correct way to determine the needed adjustments- if I had a dollar for every person who told me "I just use my ears", I could have retired a long time ago.

Used properly, yes, the new processors do a much better job and can do far more than a simple equalizer. It's also easier to correct many room flaws with a parametric EQ than a graphic EQ but since people understand a graphic representation more easily, they're used for pro/commercial applications.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
So it sounds like the YPAO feature on the receiver is essentially doing the EQ function for me.

Is that correct?
That's an automatic setup/room eq program proprietary to Yamaha. It may also have a manual graphic equalizer (maybe even PEQ) depending on model....which one do you have?
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
That's an automatic setup/room eq program proprietary to Yamaha. It may also have a manual graphic equalizer (maybe even PEQ) depending on model....which one do you have?
This is a good possibility. My older onkyo 808 has that option. Can’t remember how many bands though. I just leave it to Audyssey though I did try it on my subs since it goes down to 31.5hz.
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Look into Behringer EQs. If you have a way to hook into the pre out and amp in or ext amp, they have several that does it manually in the digital domain and back to analog out.
I use two of theirs, one for the sub, twop Audio control for left and right and another Audio control for the rears.
 
Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
Graphic Equalizers, aside from misuse issues, generally fell into two categories.
The first, were conventional branded consumer electronics models with marginal specifications. Generally just incorporating the EQ with all levels neutral immediately added noise, phase shifts (destroys imaging), and overall not HiFi quality. Those with adequate performance were costly.

The second were Pro Audio versions from the likes of UREI, etc. They were of excellent SQ, but were costly, in some cases single channel (needed two for stereo) and so on. They are gone because analog equalization is no longer used in the Pro space, replaced entirely by digital filters in Digital Audio Workstations (DAWs) or even simple music playback software.

Also, with the death of magnetic tape recorders/players, the circuit used by analog EQs began disappearing from audio gear (sometimes renamed "processor loop" or similar on face plates). So there is no practical way to hook them up, except between a preamp and power amp, which creates SQ issues (your preamp's overload margin and all other performance capability is now limited effectively to the Equalizer's).

Finally, the best Equalization was not via a Graphic EQ but a Parametric EQ. The replacement of the "bling" sliders with four of five knobs and switches didn't offer the same look in the rack that some buyers wanted.

All in all, most people are happy to see them go, and Pro Users are overjoyed. Digital Signal Processing (DSP) does a much better job of actually effective equalization.

If you really want one, the best quality Pro Units are widely available used for give-away prices, since they no longer have any Earthly Use. Conversely, in order to fill out the racks of collectors who want every component in a system series, the quality branded units are quite expensive.
 
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mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
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, phase shifts (destroys imaging), ...
Phase shift? Imaging issues?
Out of curiosity of the Chesky Records guide to critical listening CD, I purchased it and was amazed how well the CD is mastered. Imaging is spot on no matter to mode.
 
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MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
Yes, they were replaced by room modes, additional speakers and extra components in crossover networks. These days, when speakers are deemed either too warm or two bright, you just send them off to the auction block until you find some that may work, or that you can talk yourself into how good they are after the audio marketers have taken all of your funds. Then, after auto EQ is done with you, and there is still issues, you get to tailor your room to fit what your system has created, via bass traps and other room "treatments."

Think I am kidding? Read around the internet audio forums and see what most of the discussions revolve around these days. The bulk of which is going to be. . . . troubleshooting.

ETA: I should also point out that "Hi-fi" existed well before computer processors. They should be calling it something different now. Perhaps. . . . "Sci-fi?"
 
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Johnny2Bad

Johnny2Bad

Audioholic Chief
Phase shift? Imaging issues?
Out of curiosity of the Chesky Records guide to critical listening CD, I purchased it and was amazed how well the CD is mastered. Imaging is spot on no matter to mode.
Analog equalizers function via phase shifting ... without it, they cannot work at all.

Soundstage imaging functions via phase relationships, whether it's two channels or twenty.
 
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