What would you get?

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Hi, i decided i am going to get a amplifier to hook up to my Pioneer 94 Elite , i would like to have alot of headroom with great sound, i didnt spend all this money to put a huge cheap amp that will not sound very good, so i was hopeing to get some good ideas and than make a choice after that.

Should i go 5ch 7ch or just 2 or 3ch for the fronts. Cost is not a huge deal but i dont want to go crazy either.
Thank you for your time Kirk
 
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Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Emotiva. Inexpensive, top notch peformance. You might consider just getting the XPA-2 to power your fronts and leave the rest to the receiver. That receiver is very capable (the center channel would be it's biggest demand with the MTS-1 towers being powered by the XPA-2) and should handle the center and surrounds with no problems at reference levels in all but a concert hall.:D
 
J

jamie2112

Banned
Emotiva. Inexpensive, top notch peformance. You might consider just getting the XPA-2 to power your fronts and leave the rest to the receiver. That receiver is very capable (the center channel would be it's biggest demand with the MTS-1 towers being powered by the XPA-2) and should handle the center and surrounds with no problems at reference levels in all but a concert hall.:D
agreed........
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Hi, i decided i am going to get a amplifier to hook up to my Pioneer 94 Elite , i would like to have alot of headroom with great sound, i didnt spend all this money to put a huge cheap amp that will not sound very good, so i was hopeing to get some good ideas and than make a choice after that.

Should i go 5ch 7ch or just 2 or 3ch for the fronts. Cost is not a huge deal but i dont want to go crazy either.
Thank you for your time Kirk
A rack of Behringer EP2500 amplifiers will provide a huge source of very low distortion power to drive virtually any load. These amplifiers are not expensive, but they are built with very high quality parts, and with a high level of design quality. A set of these would easily outperform the Emotiva or the majority of amplifiers regardless of cost, for that matter. Note: if these amplifiers are mounted open to the listening room - they are fan cooled - and the fans can be heard. You can relplace the fans with drop-in silent replacements if this is an issue.

-Chris
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Well, if you want the ultimate bang for the buck, then get the Emotiva MPS-2. It is a 7 channel MONO-BLOCK amp w/ 7 toroidal transformers. It has awesome specs (Crosstalk -120 dB, 20Hz-20kHz +/-0.15dB, THD 0.005% @ 1kHz, 200 Watts @ 8 ohms 20Hz-20kHz & 1% THD, SNR 95dB). It actually weighs about 117 lbs when fully assembled. Top notch build quality & fit/finish. Most importantly, it sounds great.

I'm sure the XPA-5 5 Channel amp will sound just as great, but the specs may not be as stellar as the MPS-2, especially the crosstalk. You could use the receiver's amp for the Surround Back speakers and use the XPA-5 for the Fr L+R, C, & Sr L+R.
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
another vote for emotiva amps here... if you don't want to spend that much on an amp, I highly reccomend the IPS-1, same basic amp as the MPS-1/2 but only 50 watts per channel less, and not modular design, but every bit as good.
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Alright thanks everyone, i think i know what im am going to do know, i am going to get the Emotiva MPS 2 but i am going to order it with 3 of the channels for now and run the surrounds off my Pioneer Elite than when i build my full theather room down stairs i will buy the rest of the channels and have my 7 channel system, it is going to work out perfect. I love the idea of just adding on to it when you need the extra channels.:D
 
adk highlander

adk highlander

Sith Lord
Have you called them to see if they will sell it with just 3 modules? When they were changing from the MPS-1 to the MPS-2 they stopped offering this configuration. Greg was the last member I know to get just 3.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
In answer to your title question, I probably would not bother with a separate amplifier. What is wrong with the amplification in your Pioneer Elite? Frankly, I think if you bought an amplifier and then compared it to what is in your receiver using a properly level matched double blind test, you would not hear the difference, unless you were comparing with a high powered amplifier at volumes so loud it was painful and damaging your hearing.
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
Well i talked to them and they do t do that anymore, but they did tell me they are comeing out with a XPA-3 this year an it will have about 300 watts at 8ohms so i think i am going to wait for that or i might just get the XPA-2 and use my reciver for the other channels. I am just all confused:confused:
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
I thought I was the last one to get the 3 module option. In a way it makes me feel like a winner...hehhehehehe
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
Being an Audioholic requires the use of an external amp:D
In answer to your title question, I probably would not bother with a separate amplifier. What is wrong with the amplification in your Pioneer Elite? Frankly, I think if you bought an amplifier and then compared it to what is in your receiver using a properly level matched double blind test, you would not hear the difference, unless you were comparing with a high powered amplifier at volumes so loud it was painful and damaging your hearing.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Pyrrho, have you looked at the MTS-1s. They can really use the extra power, they look so hungry.:D
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Pyrrho, have you looked at the MTS-1s. They can really use the extra power, they look so hungry.:D
According to SVS, the MTS-01 is 6 ohms, and has a sensitivity of 91dB. If that Pioneer Elite cannot drive them, either SVS is lying, or Pioneer should not call it "Elite". That is not terribly low impedance, and is not inefficient. A separate power amp is not needed for those unless someone is lying about the performance of the equipment that they are selling. In which case, he should buy different brands of equipment altogether, and the company in question should be exposed as a fraud.
 

captiankirk28

Full Audioholic
According to SVS, the MTS-01 is 6 ohms, and has a sensitivity of 91dB. If that Pioneer Elite cannot drive them, either SVS is lying, or Pioneer should not call it "Elite". That is not terribly low impedance, and is not inefficient. A separate power amp is not needed for those unless someone is lying about the performance of the equipment that they are selling. In which case, he should buy different brands of equipment altogether, and the company in question should be exposed as a fraud.
Hi, its not that my eciver will not drive them, they do sound very good great as matter of fact, i just thought that i would get more headroom and i would be able to turn it up higher and not have to worry about blowing a tweeter like i did before when i had my cheap reciver maybe i am just gun shy now, and pluse i like spending money.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Hi, its not that my eciver will not drive them, they do sound very good great as matter of fact, i just thought that i would get more headroom and i would be able to turn it up higher and not have to worry about blowing a tweeter like i did before when i had my cheap reciver maybe i am just gun shy now, and pluse i like spending money.
If you like spending money, then buy the biggest Krell amp there is. But don't expect to get any real benefit from it.

Extra headroom is only beneficial if you actually use it. Very probably, your receiver is capable of driving those speakers to levels that will cause permanent damage to your hearing. Very often, however, such damage only shows up years later. (Just do an internet search on the subject if you are interested in information about this.)

Also, what destroys speakers is power, not distortion. Typically, though, when an amplifier is driven into clipping, it produces massive amounts of harmonic distortion (that is, multiples of the input frequencies). In virtually all cases, tweeters can handle far less power than woofers, so that when this happens, some of those multiples are sent to the tweeter, overloading it with more power than it can handle. Typically, if you listen to music that is not overly dynamic, you can turn up the volume until you start to hear distortion, and then turn it back down until you no longer hear it. That will be the maximum safe volume for your system (though it may not be safe for your hearing). Whether it is the amplifier or the speaker that is the limiting factor, though, will not be tested in that manner.

Frankly, if that Pioneer is driven so hard that it is distorting so much that it is blowing your tweeters, that is probably the least of your worries. You might want to start thinking about the hearing aid you are going to need in the future.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I would say you don't need it, but they could sound a bit better when pressed if you had a separate amplifier. Keep in mind Pyrrho that 6 ohms is a nominal rating, they might dig deeper than that with certain frequencies causing a slight compression issue. The compression might not be noticed until a power amplifier is added. I will say that the Behringer EP2500 is a viable option. It doesn't look pretty, but it's got all the right stuff where it really counts. It uses Class H amplification and should run pretty cool. The fan might be noisy so putting a quiet fan in might be worth looking into.:)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Alright thanks everyone, i think i know what im am going to do know, i am going to get the Emotiva MPS 2 but i am going to order it with 3 of the channels for now and run the surrounds off my Pioneer Elite than when i build my full theather room down stairs i will buy the rest of the channels and have my 7 channel system, it is going to work out perfect. I love the idea of just adding on to it when you need the extra channels.:D
That's the ticket!

The MPS amp is the ultimate design.

But if you change your mind, there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the Emotiva amps!

Emotiva = Top Notch Build Quality.

Just keep one thing in mind: these amps weigh a ton!

Just the chassis alone weighs 33lbs. Each 200 watts modules weigh 12.125 lbs. So 3 power modules + chassis = 69 pounds.
 
C

Cavediver

Audioholic
Some of the best amps you can buy are amps based on the ICEPower class D amp modules made by B & O. The D-Sonic amps are reasonably priced and configurable just about any way you want.

http://www.d-sonic.net/
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I would say you don't need it, but they could sound a bit better when pressed if you had a separate amplifier. Keep in mind Pyrrho that 6 ohms is a nominal rating, they might dig deeper than that with certain frequencies causing a slight compression issue. The compression might not be noticed until a power amplifier is added. I will say that the Behringer EP2500 is a viable option. It doesn't look pretty, but it's got all the right stuff where it really counts. It uses Class H amplification and should run pretty cool. The fan might be noisy so putting a quiet fan in might be worth looking into.:)
To find out the minimum impedance, it would be a good idea to simply contact SVS. If they misrated the speakers, then it could be a problem for the receiver. However, I doubt that this is going to be an issue in this case. But, by all means, make the inquiry if wish. Then, of course, one would also need to consider how the Pioneer behaves with such a load. If things are improperly labeled, I think a power amplifier could be useful, but not if they are not.
 

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