what to buy for $2000 for 5.1 speakers

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davetk

Audiophyte
Hi, I have been auditioning different speakers and had started out listening to Golden Ear Super Sats 3's and was pretty impressed. I went back for another listen and listened to Paradigm Monitor 7's in just 2.0 and 2.1. I was very impressed. Next I tried out a PSB T5 setup with matching centers and surrounds. I liked these too. I am leaning toward the Paradigm as they can
be bought locally. Please weigh in on what you think would be a good option for this setup. thx, Dave. :D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
It seems like they all sounded pretty good to you.

There are other monitors to consider, but the one I recommend is the NHT Absolute Zero, which has an absolutely amazing frequency response:





The Absolute Zero’s listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +0.94/–0.82 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/nht-absolute-zero-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

I would just get 5 identical Absolute Zero + the matching subwoofer for a 5.1.

http://www.amazon.com/NHT-N-AZB-Absolute-Speaker-Black/dp/B000BYNP7K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1298908712&sr=8-1

If you don't like them after auditioning, just return them to Amazon for a full refund.

The reason I recommend this speaker is because I have never seen a frequency response look THAT GOOD on Home Theater Magazine PERIOD.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
You need to give dimensions of your room (including ceiling height) - especially for Subwoofer.

I'd suggest you try out the Aperion Verus Forte series:
$990 for main towers
$350 for center
$350 for rears
That works out at $1700 for your 5.0 and you'll really want to put ~$500 into a sub.
http://www.aperionaudio.com/catalog/NEW-Verus-Speaker-Family,89.aspx

I have not heard them, but Aperion appears to have set new standards with their Versus Grand System!
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/verus-grand/verus-grand-introduction

But the biggest factor is that Aperion will pay to ship them to your house and also pay to ship them from your house if you don't like them! It costs you nothing to try them!
That is a class act for an Internet direct company and speaks volumes about their confidence and attitude towards their product and customers.

If it were me, for the purpose of comparison, I would just get the Aperion fronts and also get the Paradigm fronts (I assume your local dealer offers a return policy - be honest with him about what you are doing - it may make sense to "borrow" his demonstration speakers, rather than open up new stock).
Again, if it were me, I would buy my amp or BD player from the Paradigm dealer if he is good about working with you, and you decide not to keep the Paradigms.

I cannot overstress the benefit of having things set up in your own room for comparison purposes. Rooms make big differences. What may sound perfect in a showroom may sound too bright in your room, etc.

Last, I'm assuming you want towers, like most people tend to for HT. If you are willing to get bookshelf speakers up front, you'll save money and end up with better sound with Verus Grand Bookshelf for your front. this would leave a budget of $690 for your sub which is pretty comfortable (assuming your room is not too big).
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I thought so, but had to check. NHT is another rare company who will pay shipping both ways if you decide you do not like them. If you are willing to float some money on a credit card, you could do a three-way!
Call them and ask if you can get this buying through Amazon. I like the idea of dealing through Amazon since they act as a arbiter of sorts, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy straight from NHT if needed for the return benefit. They are another class act among ID audio.
I would hold off on recommending a sub until we know the size of your room.

Edit: Even if you decide you want to buy your speakers locally, please do not buy your sub locally.
Paradigm (for example) makes a decent sub, but you will be paying easily double what you can get an equivalent sub for going internet direct.
If you buy from a dedicated sub manufacturer (who's survival depends on the success of their subs) like HSU or SVS you will get a lot more for your money.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
There are a lot of good choices in your price range. In order to narrow down the options and make more meaningful recommendations, we really do need to know about your room and setup.

What are the dimensions of your room? Height x width x length.

What is your seating distance?

Is your room closed, or is it wide open to other rooms? If so, what is the total open dimensions of your space?

Is your room populated with lots of plush, absorptive surfaces, or do you have a lot of hard, flat surfaces?

Do you plan to use a subwoofer in all situations, or are you maybe going to use a sub just for movies and TV and go without a sub for music?

How will you use your speakers? Mostly TV and movies? Mostly music? 50/50?

What associated equipment will you be using? Receiver? Amps? Disc player? Etc.

Once we know your room environment and setup, we'll be better able to narrow down your choices for you :) Speakers are not "one size fits all". It's important to think of your speakers as being part of a system. And you want that system to work well together so that it performs as "more than just the sum of its parts".
 
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davetk

Audiophyte
room size for sub

Hi guys, thanks for all the great information! First off the size of the room is 18 by 16 feet and the ceiling height is 7.5 feet. This is an unfinished basement and I am in the early stages of finishing it and as such I expect the sitting area to be 10-12 feet away. I thought I would look at AV equipment for this area. I like the Denon avr 3311ci for its power, sound quality and future
proofing with the network feature and Airplay. I have a Bryston amp/preamp(4B/.5b) and a pair of Polk SDA 1C's for stereo listening pleasure. I like listening to classic rock but am trying to expand my horizons. I like the expanded sound field of the Polks and am looking at relatively inexpensive (aprrox $2000) speakers that would create a wide sound field too. Thanks again
for your input :) Dave :cool:
 
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jcmccorm

Audioholic Intern
If you like the Polk SDA's you could go find those 1C's big daddy, the SDA SRS :)

Cary
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
mmm...classic rock, a "large end of small/small end of medium" sized room and a preference for a wide, deep soundstange, eh?

I've got just the speakers for you! (assuming you aren't too picky about looks ;) )

Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE Mains
Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE Center

*optional stand for the CMT-340SE Mains that basically makes them look like towers

Emotiva ERD-1 dipole/bipole surround speakers

*substitute Ascend CBM-170SE if you want monopole surrounds on stands or Ascend HTM-200SE if you want monopole surrounds mounted on the wall

Rythmik FV12 12" ported subwoofer (available through Ascend so you can create a more convenient order with fewer separate shipments if you like - plus bundle pricing discounts :) )

*Also be sure to pick up an Auralex GRAMMA isolation riser to decouple your subwoofer - they're only $50 and available through Amazon or Sweetwater.com

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The SEAS tweeter used in Ascend's speakers is truly something special at this price point. It's easily my favorite tweeter in this price range and plays WAY above the competition in terms of performance. The CMT-340SE speakers deliver a very wide, very expansive soundstage while still delivering a flat and neutral frequency response. Having the CMT-340SE Mains and matching CMT-340SE Center gives you something very rare at this price point: a truly seemless and virtually flawless front soundstage with pans across the front three speakers that do NOT display an audible tonal shift as they pass from main to center to main. I HATE when you can easily hear the audible shift in tone as sounds pan across the front. The 3 Ascend CMT-340SE speakers up front is a real treat :)

Personally, I favor dipole surround speakers. Properly set up (ie. 2-3 feet above seated ear height and directly to either side of the listening position) dipole surrounds recreate the multiple surround speakers that you find in a commercial movie theater. The Emotiva ERD-1 surround speakers are a good sonic match for the Ascend CMT-340SE front speakers and they fit very well within your price range.

That said, some people prefer direct-firing, monopole surround speakers. It's a matter of personal preference. And if you listen to music way more than movies/TV, it's worth mentioning that the 5.1 music formats (SACD and DVD-Audio) were meant to be played back through direct-firing surround speakers. The Ascend CBM-170SE bookshelf speakers are the perfect monopole choice if you are going to have your surround speakers on stands and a little ways away from the walls (they are a ported speaker, afterall). The Ascend HTM-200SE small bookshelf speakers are sealed and easy to mount on the wall, so they make the perfect monopole choice for a wall-mounted surround.

At this price range, it can be tough to find a subwoofer that can truly play down to 20Hz and do so without losing control of transients and clarity. Luckily, your room is not too large, so massive output is less of a concern.

Rythmik's FV12 ported subwoofer will nicely match your room size and deliver genuine 20Hz output along with good transient response.

Some alternatives in subwoofers would be HSU Research's VTF-2 MK3 or SVSound's PC12-NSD DSP/PB12-NSD DSP.

The SVSound subs would actually be my preference, but they are more expensive and, sadly, the PB12-NSD DSP isn't available at this time. If you don't mind the tall cylinder design, the PC12-NSD would be a fantastic choice. But again, it's a more expensive subwoofer than the Rythmik FV12.

The HSU VTF-2 MK3 is a great choice for music and exactly the same price as the Rythmik. It has less amplifier power though and it doesn't extend right down to 20Hz with very much strength. It's great for music where there isn't much below 35Hz anyway because its transient response is excellent. But you can glean a little more extension without losing any control or paying any extra with the Rythmik FV12.

Regardless of what subwoofer you choose, be sure to decouple it from the floor! Decoupling makes an audible difference. It is not a panacea for all bass problems, but it is definitely a worth-while improvement - especially since it greatly reduces the "bleeding" of bass into other rooms of the house or building... think happier neighbors and significant other ;)

It doesn't really matter HOW you decouple your subwoofer, but the Auralex GRAMMA is a very effective and affordable decoupling device, so I heartily recommend them. They provide a nice, stable platform for your subwoofer and effectively decouple it from the floor for only $50, so it's an easy recommendation to make :)

My final comment is that all of these recommended speakers are very plain-looking: they are all just black boxes :p If you want something with nicer looks, I'd almost certainly point you to EMP Tek and their Impression Series speakers - so check those out too! That said, I easily favor the SEAS tweeter found in the Ascend speakers, so if looks aren't a priority, that is the way to go IMO.

Hope that helps!
 
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davetk

Audiophyte
Lots of good information... thanks for the tips, I will look into it :)

thanks again, Dave:D
 
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Brahms

Enthusiast
And what about active monitors, like the Adams?

On HiFi I like Focal Chorus 800 line.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Hi, I have been auditioning different speakers and had started out listening to Golden Ear Super Sats 3's and was pretty impressed. I went back for another listen and listened to Paradigm Monitor 7's in just 2.0 and 2.1. I was very impressed. Next I tried out a PSB T5 setup with matching centers and surrounds. I liked these too. I am leaning toward the Paradigm as they can
be bought locally. Please weigh in on what you think would be a good option for this setup. thx, Dave. :D
I suggest listing all the pros and cons of each speaker system you auditioned and the one that gives you the most pros wins. ;)
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
It seems like they all sounded pretty good to you.

There are other monitors to consider, but the one I recommend is the NHT Absolute Zero, which has an absolutely amazing frequency response:





The Absolute Zero’s listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +0.94/–0.82 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/nht-absolute-zero-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

I would just get 5 identical Absolute Zero + the matching subwoofer for a 5.1.

http://www.amazon.com/NHT-N-AZB-Absolute-Speaker-Black/dp/B000BYNP7K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1298908712&sr=8-1

If you don't like them after auditioning, just return them to Amazon for a full refund.

The reason I recommend this speaker is because I have never seen a frequency response look THAT GOOD on Home Theater Magazine PERIOD.
He was looking at tower speakers, not monitors. Thats a big room to fill with sound.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
He was looking at tower speakers, not monitors. Thats a big room to fill with sound.
It was one of those sleepy days when I posted that.:D

I later realized he meant towers.:D

His room is 18 by 16 feet and the ceiling height is 7.5 feet.

My family room is 18' x 20' x 10' ceiling, and at one point I was playing my NHT SuperZero 5.1 with great sound and bass @ 90dBA for movies.

But he meant towers anyway.:)
 
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