what mode for tv listening?

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bwhenkaline

Audioholic Intern
ok now i know what you mean. in the disk menu it is set on English 5.1 DTS HD. is that correct? Thanks for all your help by the way, you are very helpful. Someone mentioned that i should avoid the adventure/sci-fi/drama modes. Does this mean i should just leave it on Movie:Standard??
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
ok now i know what you mean. in the disk menu it is set on English 5.1 DTS HD. is that correct? Thanks for all your help by the way, you are very helpful. Someone mentioned that i should avoid the adventure/sci-fi/drama modes. Does this mean i should just leave it on Movie:Standard??
Don't use any DSP modes. DSP modes are the ones with the stupid names.

5.1 DTS HD is what you want. When you select that in the disc menu, your receiver should display DTSMA, or DTS Master Audio.
 
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zildjian

Audioholic Chief
Don't use any DSP modes. DSP modes are the ones with the stupid names.

5.1 DTS HD is what you want. When you select that in the disc menu, your receiver should display DTSMA, or DTS Master Audio.
According to page 42 of the user manual, Straight bypasses the DSP modes and plays what audio selection the disc has on it, DTS-MA, DD... Check the manual out. I've read it three times now! :D There's no option to choose DTS or DD in the yamaha menu, only on the blu-ray are those options. It's not like the Denon or Onkyo menu's.
If he's only getting two channels when in straight mode, I'd bet the source is providing only two channels into the receiver.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
According to page 42 of the user manual, Straight bypasses the DSP modes and plays what audio selection the disc has on it, DTS-MA, DD... Check the manual out. I've read it three times now! :D There's no option to choose DTS or DD in the yamaha menu, only on the blu-ray are those options. It's not like the Denon or Onkyo menu's.
If he's only getting two channels when in straight mode, I'd bet the source is providing only two channels into the receiver.
It's not going to detect anything without it being selected on the disc menu. If you re-read my replies, they all say disc menu.:rolleyes:

Straight is incorrect. It not only bypasses DSP modes, it bypass Bass Management as well.

I had a 1400, and now own a Z7.
 
zildjian

zildjian

Audioholic Chief
It's not going to detect anything without it being selected on the disc menu.:rolleyes:
No need to roll your eyes dude. I didn't say it anything about not selecting the audio in the disc menu. If you just put a blu-ray movie and hit play, it will play the default audio program. Mostly DTS-MA or DD. You don't have to go select the audio unless you want to change it to something else. I don't have a yamaha here, just going by the manual. So I'm working with only manual knowledge... limited yes...
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
No need to roll your eyes dude. I didn't say it anything about not selecting the audio in the disc menu. If you just put a blu-ray movie and hit play, it will play the default audio program. Mostly DTS-MA or DD. You don't have to go select the audio unless you want to change it to something else. I don't have a yamaha here, just going by the manual. So I'm working with only manual knowledge... limited yes...
There is a need to roll my eyes when you are incorrect dude. You replied to me as if I stated to select the audio option on the avr. Never did.

There is no need to get all defensive when you are incorrect. It's no big deal. The main goal is to help the OP.

Now, select DTSMA, and press play. Good day.;)
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Uh... the manual didn't say that.... LOL!
Mine does. Both of them. And, I do believe it bypasses YPAO as well.

So if you inform someone to select Straight for their blu-ray dvd, you have just bypassed any speaker and room correction someone else may have spent a lot of time on.

As hard as it was to get the point of making the selection on the disc menu across, I wouldn't want to screw-up the fact that someone else may have worked very hard on the set-up of this unit.;)

Can I give you a wink?:D
 
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bwhenkaline

Audioholic Intern
My receiver displays Cinema DSP 3 right above where it says HDMI 1. Holy Hell!! Im supposed to be watching a movie with my GF and i cant even follow whats going on cause i keep trying to make sure that everything is set up right. So the cinema dsp 3 is incorrect right? i selected the 5.1 dts hd in the ps3 disc menu by pressing the triangle button and then selecting audio options and making sure it was on 5.1 dts hd.
 
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zumbo

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My receiver displays Cinema DSP 3 right above where it says HDMI 1. Holy Hell!! Im supposed to be watching a movie with my GF and i cant even follow whats going on cause i keep trying to make sure that everything is set up right. So the cinema dsp 3 is incorrect right? i selected the 5.1 dts hd in the ps3 disc menu by pressing the triangle button and then selecting audio options and making sure it was on 5.1 dts hd.
Press play after the selection. When the actual movie starts, the audio will change.

Previews are not in DTS MA.
 
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bwhenkaline

Audioholic Intern
So i put a different BlueRay in and this time i pressed surround decoder and it took off the cinema dsp 3 off receiver. but now it says nothing on the receiver but HDMI 1. i gotta be missing a step here, i just don't know what it is. It has been a really long day and im running on fumes, so forgive me if i seem like a dunce.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
So i put a different BlueRay in and this time i pressed surround decoder and it took off the cinema dsp 3 off receiver. but now it says nothing on the receiver but HDMI 1. i gotta be missing a step here, i just don't know what it is. It has been a really long day and im running on fumes, so forgive me if i seem like a dunce.
I feel as though you need to take a step back, stop pushing buttons, and gather your thoughts. Once calm, pick-up the avr manual and read it front to back.

As you find something in the manual that does not make sense to you, ask the forum before you proceed. Or, fold the page and continue. Don't press buttons.

Your receiver was factory set to automatically switch to the audio format being sent. It should do it on it's on, no button pushing required.

Put in the br dvd. Select the audio format from the dvd menu. Start the movie. After the previews, and the actual movie begins, your receiver should display the audio format it is detecting.
 
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bwhenkaline

Audioholic Intern
what if it displays nothing? i have selected the correct audio format from the BD menu. I reset everything back to factory settings on the receiver. All it says on the front display of the receiver when i watch a BluRay is HDMI 1. Are you telling me that the receiver should be displaying DTS 5.1 HD?
 
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bwhenkaline

Audioholic Intern
yeah i read the manual. I figured it out im pretty sure. like i said i reset all the settings to factory and then went from there. according to the manual it won't display what format it is in when watching a BR, it will only display if it is dsp mode. Im happy now.
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
yeah i read the manual. I figured it out im pretty sure. like i said i reset all the settings to factory and then went from there. according to the manual it won't display what format it is in when watching a BR, it will only display if it is dsp mode. Im happy now.
That would tic me off. Hey, they gotta cut cost somewhere. That has to be the worst Yamaha manual I have ever read. Kudos to you for making it through it. Thing gave me a two day headache.:eek:
 
woofersus

woofersus

Audioholic
On my RX-V663 it doesn't light up the format indicators when the source is bitstreaming. My BD player gives me the option to set HDMI Audio to PCM or Auto, and for Coax and Optical I can choose Dolby Digital and DTS or PCM, which is bitstreaming. If I choose PCM, the BD player does the decoding and the Reciever just sees it like any other multichannel PCM source and doesn't display the format indicators. Also, it's Pure Direct mode that bypasses all of the eq and bass management. "Straight" just means no DSP mode and no matrixed surround, which is optimal here. It would be odd for Yamaha to have changed this behavior since on the same level in their lineup.

So for example if I'm listening to a 2 channel digital source like my squeezebox, there is no difference between setting the program to Straight or 2ch Stereo, but if I select Pure Direct the eq goes away and the subwoofer goes away and the front speakers are run full-range. If I select Surround Decode it will matrix surround and display the Dolby PL symbol.

Also, your TV source may be in 2-channel only, in which case the reciever will only play 2 channels when set to Straight. As a general rule only HD channels are in 5.1, and not all of them are either. When set to Straight, my reciever will display the Dolby Pro Logic symbol when I am watching a HD surround channel (Dish Network VIP722k is the source) and just PCM when watching a standard definition broadcast in stereo. Depending on how your Dish or Cable tuner handles audio and how you have it connected, you may only be able to bistream, which would mean the reciever will always just display PCM when watching TV, but it will still display the channels present in the signal on the display. Either way, you should look through the settings of your source for TV audio and make sure it's set to send multichannel audio out. Some are configured for stereo only by default. If you are watching a stereo broadcast and want it in surround, that's where you can pick one of the formats suggested above for matrix surround like DTS:Neo6. You can program one of the scenes for this so it's easy to switch back and forth. I'm guessing your original concern came because you were listening to a stereo broadcast and your system was accordingly playing 2 channels.

For BD movies I'd set it to Straight and then put a BD into your source and fiddle with settings there until the reciever recognizes it appropriately. Note that just because it's a BD doesn't mean you'll get DTS-MA or Dolby TrueHD as soon as the menu loads. Often the menus are only in stereo, and sometimes the previews as well. Or the Previews will be standard DTS too, with the DTS-MA or TrueHD logos only displaying once the BD movie has actually begun. That's what happens when you set the reciever to Straight. It will display different things depending on the source.

Hope that's helpful!
 
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zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
My interpretation is Straight is Straight.

What is sent is what you get.

I have been wrong before, but I just don't use Straight for blu-ray playback. I enjoy watching my avr display what is being sent.

I did use Straight for 2-channel before I decided to build my 2-channel rig. So now, 2-channel gets done there, and HT is HT.
 
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MDS

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My interpretation is Straight is Straight.

What is sent is what you get.
That would be Direct and on some receivers Pure Direct which is direct but also turns off the video display - supposedly for the purest signal possible.

Straight in Yamaha terminology means no Cinema DSP layered on top of whatever format is playing.
 
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Entity

Audioholic Intern
I'm pretty sure that's not what Straight is on my Yamaha...it just doesn't apply any effects. If I bitstream a cd from the PS3 my only option is Straight...but I clearly still have EQ and subs. Just no applied effects.

Edit..MDS beat me to it...Pure Direct is no processing (and no sub in 2 channel) Straight is simply that....no effects.
 
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