What is the diffrence?

[gzyzwc]

I notice yamaha has 2 diffrent models

HTR - See a few posts but no reviews on this site for them.
RX-V See tons of reviews (most good) and several posts.

But what is the diffrence? I am looking to spend from $500 - $1000 on a new reciever primarily for theater experience. Price depends on what I should skimp on. How important is the reciever in the field of speaker/TV/Reciever?

Thanks

 

[agarwalro]

HTR - Internet sales, Discount stores, etc
RXV - Upper end stores, usually not discounted till they are out of date

For most RXV models there is an HTR equivalent that is cosmetically different.

Other than the top of the line RXV's, they are same.

 

[gzyzwc]

Thanks
agarwalro

I definatly should talk with you LOL your setup looks very close to what I am looking at.

Here is a link to my other forum, can you please let me know what you think.
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29966

 

[evilkat]

You should check out the warrenty programs offered for both. I could be wrong, but I remember reading some place that they're slightly different...

 

[zumbo]

HTR - Internet sales, Discount stores, etc
RXV - Upper end stores, usually not discounted till they are out of date

For most RXV models there is an HTR equivalent that is cosmetically different.

Other than the top of the line RXV's, they are same.

Crutchfield has RX-V.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ssEsYkCfOjg/cgi-bin/ProdGroup.asp?search=Yamaha+VENDORID022&searchdisplay=Yamaha&osp=&skipvs=T&g=10420

 

[j_garcia]

If you go to the Yamaha website, they have that question in their FAQ. The main difference is the warranty, and the RX-V get the better one.

 

[no. 5]

If you go to the Yamaha website, they have that question in their FAQ. The main difference is the warranty, and the RX-V get the better one.

and a RX-V it gets no warranty if bought from a unauthorized dealer.
Yamaha does'nt care who you buy a HTR from.

 

[pzaur]

Yamaha FAQ is here

This says that the difference is only cosmetic.
Two quotes rom the Yamaha FAQ:
1. "The RX-V and equivalent HTR models have the same warranty periods; the same manufacturers suggested retail price, the same features, and the same remote control units. There is a cosmetic difference found on the front panels of these two lines. The RX-V line maintains the traditional white colored lettering normally found on most Yamaha components, while the HTR line provides a slightly different approach."
2. "The RX-V line is typically sold through Yamaha authorized audio/video specialty retailers, and is not available for mail order sales. The HTR line is sold through mass merchants, catalog retailers, and department stores. You may also purchase the HTR line through the mail. All transactions must be done through the authorized Yamaha dealer network. Any purchase made from an unauthorized dealer/retailer voids the Yamaha manufacturer's warranty."

-pat

 

[gzyzwc]

Thanks guys, as long as I am proving how little I know, and you guys are sharing

What exactaly do Receivers, pre-processors, amplifiers, Mean? I see this terminology all over now.

And are they usually in a single product or several products? I am looking to get the most bang for my buck on March 9th, as I get a bonus from work. I will have about 5k-6k to spend. I have poured over the reccomended system specs. and viewed countless forum posts over the past few months on TV's and Speakers. Already purchased a DVD player, but have not really focused yet on the receiver. Little did I realize how much this seems to matter.

TV: Mitsubishi LT-46131 $2700
Speakers: Axiom Epic 50 - 175 (upgrading M50's to M60's) $2062

Thanks Zumbo for your input on my other post, but I think I want true 1080p TV and the plasma is cost prohibative for it. I dont think I need a 50" a 46" will be plenty large enough (dont really want dlp). I was trying to stick to the reccomended system's posted on this website, and axiom seems to get rave reviews, and I honeslty know nothing of polk speakers so I will go with a setup Axiom deal.

So can you tell me what the diffrence is and if thier is a general rule of thumb. . IE seems to me that you should at least invest as much money on your speakers as you did your tv. Is a good rule of thumb to budget about half your speaker budget on a reciever?

So can I get a quality reciever and the cables I need for about 1000$ I was originally going to either go with the:
Reciever: Yamaha RX-V1600 $1000
Because it was on the reccomended for the $5k system, but exceeded the TV and speaker budget slightly, so was going to possibly do the Yamaha RX-V659 since it was on the holiday reccomendation chart. (is thier really a 600$ diffrence for movie viewing?)

PS. I already have speaker cable (ultimate electronics went out of bussiness here localy and monster cables were on sale 40% off, I had never seen them on sale before so I bought 4 spools of speaker cable, and 2 Component Video Cables) so I guess I will need HDMI cables, and audio cables to hook up to my Oppo OPDV971H

Thanks a ton guys.

 

[j_garcia]

Obviously if Crutchfield carries the RX-V line, that means either they are not an authorized reseller or the RX-V line can be sold via mail.

 

[pzaur]

Mail-order / internet seller, who knows what the real distinction is between the two. Yamaha has them listed as an authorized online retailer.

Rather confusing and it seems to be somewhat contradictive to the FAQ I posted earlier.

-pat

 

[gzyzwc]

Wow I see alot of you use the Axiom Speakers, but dont use the sub box? Why is that?

 

[zumbo]

TV: Mitsubishi LT-46131 $2700
Speakers: Axiom Epic 50 - 175 (upgrading M50's to M60's) $2062

Thanks Zumbo for your input on my other post, but I think I want true 1080p TV and the plasma is cost prohibative for it. I dont think I need a 50" a 46" will be plenty large enough (dont really want dlp). I was trying to stick to the reccomended system's posted on this website, and axiom seems to get rave reviews, and I honeslty know nothing of polk speakers so I will go with a setup Axiom deal.

Like I said on your other thread, the DLP was just an option. It is true 1080p. That will free-up a little money for other things in your budget. I also said I would still go with Samsung for the 50", or 46"LCD, also available in 1080p.

Polk Audio is well known. They are not the new kids on the block. I highly recommend you audition the RTi line before you go with an ID "advertised" brand.

Reciever: Yamaha RX-V1600 $1000
Because it was on the reccomended for the $5k system, but exceeded the TV and speaker budget slightly, so was going to possibly do the Yamaha RX-V659 since it was on the holiday reccomendation chart. (is thier really a 600$ diffrence for movie viewing?)

The 659 doesn't have HDMI. The 5990 does. It is a hot deal at the moment. Forget about the HTR/RX-V thing. They are all Yamaha.

You have to go to the 1700/6090 for 1080p.

 

[zumbo]

Wow I see alot of you use the Axiom Speakers, but dont use the sub box? Why is that?

Probably because they wanted a better sub. You seem to be condescending to my help. In your other thread(about the same thing)http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=250867#post250867, you asked for suggestions for a $ amount. I spent a good part of my time offering options. If you are dead set on something, then ask about it in particular, not other/better options.

My last bit of help for you is this.

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[moverton]

Thanks guys, as long as I am proving how little I know, and you guys are sharing
So can I get a quality reciever and the cables I need for about 1000$ I was originally going to either go with the:
Reciever: Yamaha RX-V1600 $1000
Because it was on the reccomended for the $5k system, but exceeded the TV and speaker budget slightly, so was going to possibly do the Yamaha RX-V659 since it was on the holiday reccomendation chart. (is thier really a 600$ diffrence for movie viewing?)

The RXV659 can be found from authorized dealers for $300-400. Excelent deal. The HTR-5990 is going for $600. I think it is the same as RX-1600 except the second remote and the serial ports (uou probably will never use either) Check yamaha's website. They have a nice comparison feature that will allow you to look at both lines. The lines are identical except cosmetics. It is just a channel strategy by Yamaha to have two lines.
I think these are the two best deals from Yamaha under $1000.

Here's a link to the comparison.
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/compare/Detail.html?compitem1=&compitem2=200015&compitem3=200005&CTID=5000200&VNM=LIVE&comp_items=200005&comp_items=200015&B_compare.x=35&B_compare.y=6

 

[moverton]

You have to go to the 1700/6090 for 1080p.

I would advise to forget routing video through the receiver unless you have a good reason to do so. You pay a premium for the latest video switcher and they cause problems for a lot of people. Next year's video format won't work with it anyway.

 

[baseman]

I saw this same question on another forum and the answer there was that the RX-V power is rated from 20-20K and the big box HTR is only measured at 1K. I believe the specs confirm this. So is Yamaha cheating on the power ratings? They say they do it because other big box sellers do. It's the norm in that arena.

 

[MichaelJHuman]

They are not cheating. Read the FTC rules.

They rate every HTR model at 20hz-20khz. But they specify a 1khz rating for use by Best Buy.

 

[MichaelJHuman]

I would advise to forget routing video through the receiver unless you have a good reason to do so. You pay a premium for the latest video switcher and they cause problems for a lot of people. Next year's video format won't work with it anyway.

Using a receiver which upconverts to composite or component video, and using it for your AV switching works great; I have done this for years.

You probably mean HDMI, which is causing people some issues.

* Some 2700 users report having HDMI issues when the unit heats up
* Some cable boxes don't work at all through a repeater (which receivers operate as)
* Some TVs apparently have HDMI issues, I am not sure if that's only with receivers

 

[MichaelJHuman]

Thanks guys, as long as I am proving how little I know, and you guys are sharing

What exactaly do Receivers, pre-processors, amplifiers, Mean? I see this terminology all over now.
Thanks a ton guys.

A preamplifier:
* Selects which source you want to listen to; usually has an small signal amplifier in it; usually has at least one tape loop; sometimes has a phono amp (a special) beast
An amplifier:
* Amplifies input signal(s) sufficiently to drive speakers
A receiver has an:
* Amp, Preamplifier, tuner; These days more AVRs are made than basic receivers, see below
A control amplifier:
* Practially the same thing as a preamp
A preprocesser (aka pre-pro or processor)
* Usually performs preamp duties along with having decoders for home theater sources
An AVR (Audio/Visual receiver)
* Receiver with home theater decoders and usually has video switching