What is the better system?

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nikodine

Enthusiast
Apollo Dac + Brio R + RS 3 (RS 5)
Marantz PM6004+ CD6004 CD + JBL Studio 190 or JBL H90
Emotiva XPA-2 + emotiva usp-1 + Monitor Audio RS6 (or something other)

I looking for sound quality, for music like jazz, chill out, house, techno, trance
If you have other suggestion I will be glad to hear you. The beudget is 2000-2500$ max. 3000$.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Apollo Dac + Brio R + RS 3 (RS 5)
Marantz PM6004+ CD6004 CD + JBL Studio 190 or JBL H90
Emotiva XPA-2 + emotiva usp-1 + Monitor Audio RS6 (or something other)

I looking for sound quality, for music like jazz, chill out, house, techno, trance
If you have other suggestion I will be glad to hear you. The beudget is 2000-2500$ max. 3000$.
Why do I get the feeling you're from other side of the Atlantic ocean... if this is so checkout Wharfardale, Canton, Tannoy and (especially) KEF brands
Spend less in DACs other non-sense and get a good speakers...
Electronics wise: HK 3490 and Onkyo TX-8050 and any transport with digital out
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Apollo Dac + Brio R + RS 3 (RS 5)
Marantz PM6004+ CD6004 CD + JBL Studio 190 or JBL H90
Emotiva XPA-2 + emotiva usp-1 + Monitor Audio RS6 (or something other)

I looking for sound quality, for music like jazz, chill out, house, techno, trance
If you have other suggestion I will be glad to hear you. The beudget is 2000-2500$ max. 3000$.
NONE of the above.

I would get

Philharmonic 2 + Marantz SR5006

And if you want to add to it later in the future consider a crown XLS1500 amp and some GIK Acoustics Q7D diffusion panels.
 
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nikodine

Enthusiast
Why do I get the feeling you're from other side of the Atlantic ocean... if this is so checkout Wharfardale, Canton, Tannoy and (especially) KEF brands
Spend less in DACs other non-sense and get a good speakers...
Electronics wise: HK 3490 and Onkyo TX-8050 and any transport with digital out
:D no no , Im from Europe, I meen euro, not dollars, sorry.
 
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nikodine

Enthusiast
NONE of the above.

I would get

Philharmonic 2
Marantz-SR5006

And if you want to add to it later in the future consider a crown XLS1500 amp and some GIK Acoustics Q7D diffusion panels.
Hmmm this is receiver, not stereo amp. What you meen with them?
I search Stereo system for music, not for movies and surround system...
And the Crown`s amp is Class D, I know that the precise amp are from Class A or B.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
:D no no , Im from Europe, I meen euro, not dollars, sorry.
lol, what's exactly what I meant ... see my advice above...


Philharmonics 2 are extremely good speakers for the price, but I'm afraid shipping from us and your local taxes costs would them much less financially desirable.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Hmmm this is receiver, not stereo amp. What you meen with them?
I search Stereo system for music, not for movies and surround system...
yes, it's a surround receiver, but it's perfect fit if you ever decide to add a subwoofer. Just don't use additional channels.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Hmmm this is receiver, not stereo amp...I search Stereo system for music, not for movies and surround system...
Amplifiers can identify that they're for music or movies?

I suggested something that

1) Lets you put more of your budget into speakers, which along with their interaction with the room are about 95% of what your ears hear
2) Should have quality amplifier section that can provide useful ability to drive said speakers.
3) Has preamplifier outputs in case you wish to add more power in the future

The other features are useless, but it's about economy of scale. Receivers sell, so they're less expensive for comparable performance than stereo separates, which don't sell in volume.



And the Crown`s amp is Class D,
Yes. That's part of why it was suggested. It doesn't have the drawbacks of a class A or AB amp.

Philharmonics 2 are extremely good speakers for the price, but I'm afraid shipping from us and your local taxes costs would them much less financially desirable.
$2000 USD is about 1500 euro. Given his budget of under $3000 i think even with taxes and shipping he'd still come within budget.

It would however make sense to get electronics locally.
 
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nikodine

Enthusiast
OK, aaa what you will say about this-
HK 3490 + JBL H90? Jbl have very good bass.
Or MARANTZ SR-5006 with JBL H90? Look this is have good sound:
JBL ES90 & HK 3490 ..BAKY .mp4 - look in Youtube, I cant post links :D

I saw and this as a system: I saw it in youtube

Harman Kardon HK3490
Vienna Acoustics Bach Grand speakers
Music Hall CD25.2
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Harman Kardon HK3490
Vienna Acoustics Bach Grand speakers
Music Hall CD25.2
I can't find any info about JBL H90, but from what I heard myself and other reviewers JBL home stuff is not so great and certainly does not fit (way below in both price and quality) your budget

JBL Pro stuff is a different league. (I can witness to this fact)

Vienna Acoustics Bach Grand speakers - these are nice but imo VA are considerably overpriced...

$600 for a cd player? a $100 DVD will sound exactly the same...

In case you haven't get the message before - put MAJORITY of your budget into speakers!!!!
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
OK, aaa what you will say about this-
HK 3490 + JBL H90? Jbl have very good bass.
Or MARANTZ SR-5006 with JBL H90?
I don't expect those will even come close to the level of sound quality you would be getting from any of the following speakers in the general 2-3K range

Audio Artistry CBT36
Philharmonic Audio 2
JBL LSR6332
Pioneer S1-EX
Salk Supercharged Songtower
KEF R900
Ascend Sierra Tower / Raal

Vienna Acoustics Bach Grand speakers
And neither will these

Music Hall CD25.2
And this is just a waste of budget.

I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but I think the way you're doing things now is going to get mediocre results at best.
 
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nikodine

Enthusiast
I don't expect those will even come close to the level of sound quality you would be getting from any of the following speakers in the general 2-3K range

Audio Artistry CBT36
Philharmonic Audio 2
JBL LSR6332
Pioneer S1-EX
Salk Supercharged Songtower
KEF R900
Ascend Sierra Tower / Raal



And neither will these



And this is just a waste of budget.

I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but I think the way you're doing things now is going to get mediocre results at best.

No, Iм no offense :) Im still searching the best choise, and ask you becouse you are a more forward with the material about audio.

Ok, what is your opinion about Rega brio- r amp. ? And with what is it worse than HK 3490, Onkyo TX-8050 and Marantz SR5006?
Could you tell me what are the priority of these amp, over Rega?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Ok, what is your opinion about Rega brio- r amp. ?
My opinion, is that it's an effectively 35 watt amp. I'm sure it's a fine amp within its limits, which aren't very far.

And with what is it worse than HK 3490, Onkyo TX-8050 and Marantz SR5006?
Could you tell me what are the priority of these amp, over Rega?
I dunno about the Onkyo, but at the very least you're likely overpaying. The Marantz can most likely deliver a usable ~80w and the Harman Kardon 3490 that gene measured

harman/kardon HK 3490 Stereo Receiver Review — Reviews and News from Audioholics

can delvier a usable ~100w.

The Marantz also has bass management, in case your room is problematic in the bass you leave yourself the option to roll in two or three subwoofers in order to get you tight, accurate, musical bass.

Beyond that, the rega is an integrated amplifier with preamp and amp sections built in. Now this would be fine, except that the rega does not have preamplifier outputs. That means that in case 35 usable watts is not enough for your choice of speakers, room, music, or listening habits, then you will need to replace the entire unit. If it had preamplifier outputs, like the Marantz, you could simply "Add on" an external amplifier like the crown I mentioned.

Now the SR5006 does not have a phono input stage. Do you need one? I can see where that may be a deal breaker but you can always add an external phono stage.

In general, it's something like this:

1)The Speakers, and their interaction with the room, represent almost 95% of what you hear, so long as the electronics are simply decent and within their limitations.

2)Speakers are a reproduction tool to let us hear a recording. We don't listen to speakers to "listen to speakers". Therefore speakers need to be accurate transducers. In order to be accurate, speakers must have flat response in the forward axis, as well as a balanced and smooth response radiated into other directions so that reflected sound does not serve as a source of coloration. They must be free from resonances and must be able to reproduce dynamic transients without compression.

3) Getting truly accurate speakers, is more difficult than getting very accurate electronics. There's no discrete number that tells you which is which, but simply put, a vast majority of speaker companies are not in the business of selling you good sound quality (accuracy) but rather a preferred sound signature (colorations). It's gotten to a point where many electronics companies even choose to follow suit, as difficult as that may be. Never trust anyone's subjective experiences with loudspeakers, electronics, or even silly irrelevant things like wiring, because much of the industry is simply put - confused.

4) Many hi-fi shops are in the business of electronics, with speakers simply being a means to an end. They will push electronics on you, using buzz words like "Class A" and "Microdynamics" to make you spend on electronics, even if the speakers simply aren't very good - and in the process form a bias in your brain against other valid options, some of which have serious merits. Once people buy speakers, they become resistant to changing them, yet are open to the idea of changing electronics. So long as the electronics are what people are open to changing, people never get improvements in their sound quality, unless their previous electronics' limitations or design flaws were sufficiently being exposed.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I would just get a receiver + something like Revel or KEF.

I would not waste a dime on DAC or expensive electronics & cables.

Speakers are the most important.

Receivers will sound just like stereo preamps as long as you use Direct or Pure Direct mode. They certainly measure the same.

I would recommend Philharmonic Audio if you lived in North America.:D
 
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nikodine

Enthusiast
My opinion, is that it's an effectively 35 watt amp. I'm sure it's a fine amp within its limits, which aren't very far.



I dunno about the Onkyo, but at the very least you're likely overpaying. The Marantz can most likely deliver a usable ~80w and the Harman Kardon 3490 that gene measured

harman/kardon HK 3490 Stereo Receiver Review — Reviews and News from Audioholics

can delvier a usable ~100w.

The Marantz also has bass management, in case your room is problematic in the bass you leave yourself the option to roll in two or three subwoofers in order to get you tight, accurate, musical bass.

Beyond that, the rega is an integrated amplifier with preamp and amp sections built in. Now this would be fine, except that the rega does not have preamplifier outputs. That means that in case 35 usable watts is not enough for your choice of speakers, room, music, or listening habits, then you will need to replace the entire unit. If it had preamplifier outputs, like the Marantz, you could simply "Add on" an external amplifier like the crown I mentioned.

Now the SR5006 does not have a phono input stage. Do you need one? I can see where that may be a deal breaker but you can always add an external phono stage.

In general, it's something like this:

1)The Speakers, and their interaction with the room, represent almost 95% of what you hear, so long as the electronics are simply decent and within their limitations.

2)Speakers are a reproduction tool to let us hear a recording. We don't listen to speakers to "listen to speakers". Therefore speakers need to be accurate transducers. In order to be accurate, speakers must have flat response in the forward axis, as well as a balanced and smooth response radiated into other directions so that reflected sound does not serve as a source of coloration. They must be free from resonances and must be able to reproduce dynamic transients without compression.

3) Getting truly accurate speakers, is more difficult than getting very accurate electronics. There's no discrete number that tells you which is which, but simply put, a vast majority of speaker companies are not in the business of selling you good sound quality (accuracy) but rather a preferred sound signature (colorations). It's gotten to a point where many electronics companies even choose to follow suit, as difficult as that may be. Never trust anyone's subjective experiences with loudspeakers, electronics, or even silly irrelevant things like wiring, because much of the industry is simply put - confused.

4) Many hi-fi shops are in the business of electronics, with speakers simply being a means to an end. They will push electronics on you, using buzz words like "Class A" and "Microdynamics" to make you spend on electronics, even if the speakers simply aren't very good - and in the process form a bias in your brain against other valid options, some of which have serious merits. Once people buy speakers, they become resistant to changing them, yet are open to the idea of changing electronics. So long as the electronics are what people are open to changing, people never get improvements in their sound quality, unless their previous electronics' limitations or design flaws were sufficiently being exposed.

Thank you very much that you explain me to understand what I look.
Now I understand you, just like you and I thinking about that rega is only 50W. You opened my eyes man! Thanks a lot, I will looking for
Marantz SR5006, now I will see your proposal for speakers. Again- thank you so much! You have one beer by me :)
 
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nikodine

Enthusiast
Only one more think, I like the KEF R900 but hire is very expensive.... Its not in my beudget, what you think about KEF C7? or Q300? The C7 here is 600$. as iQ90. Also, in my range of money is KEF Q900?

These speakers are very expensive :

Audio Artistry CBT36
Philharmonic Audio 2
JBL LSR6332
Pioneer S1-EX
Salk Supercharged Songtower
KEF R900
Ascend Sierra Tower / Raal
 
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Jasper78

Enthusiast
Avi ADM9

Only one more think, I like the KEF R900 but hire is very expensive.... Its not in my beudget, what you think about KEF C7? or Q300? The C7 here is 600$. as iQ90. Also, in my range of money is KEF Q900?
Since you're in Europe, you might also want to have a look at the Avi ADM9.1. This is an active solution with a high-quality DAC and powerful amplifiers (75 WPC for the tweeter and 250 WPC for the bass drivers) built in. They have received some very favorable reviews in the British press. You would have to couple them with a good subwoofer, but if you forego Avi's matching subwoofer and opt for one from BK or SVS, this would leave you well within budget.
 
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nikodine

Enthusiast
Thnks, but my choise is the Marantz, I want ask you somethink else,
will be good to use for source my PC with cable to the Marantz?
And, yeah I find KEF R900 for 1900 euro, the system is ready :D
Marantz SR5006 + KEF R900 :)
Just for a source? All my music is on my computer...
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Thnks, but my choise is the Marantz, I want ask you somethink else,
will be good to use for source my PC with cable to the Marantz?
And, yeah I find KEF R900 for 1900 euro, the system is ready :D
Marantz SR5006 + KEF R900 :)
Just for a source? All my music is on my computer...
If your pc has optical spd/if out - all you need is one optical cable from pc to receiver.
 

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