What causes disease

[Buckeyefan 1]

So do you think this has some merit, or just BS?

The Cause of Disease​

Have you ever wondered if many of the diseases raging through our society have a common cause? Many doctors, herbalists and nutritionists believe that the explanation may come down to three words:

Acid Alkaline Imbalance

Over acidity, which can become a dangerous condition that weakens all body systems, is very common today. It gives rise to an internal environment conducive to disease, as opposed to a pH-balanced environment which allows normal body function necessary for the body to resist disease. A healthy body maintains adequate alkaline reserves to meet emergency demands. When access acids must be neutralized our alkaline reserves are depleted leaving the body in a weakened condition.

The concept of acid alkaline imbalance as the cause of disease is not new. In 1933 a New York doctor named William Howard Hay published a ground-breaking book, A New Health Era in which he maintains that all disease is caused by autotoxication (or "self-poisoning") due to acid accumulation in the body:

Now we depart from health in just the proportion to which we have allowed our alkalies to be dissipated by introduction of acid-forming food in too great amount... It may seem strange to say that all disease is the same thing, no matter what its myriad modes of expression, but it is verily so.
William Howard Hay, M.D.

More recently, in his remarkable book Alkalize or Die (see recommended reading), Dr. Theodore A. Baroody says essentially the same thing:
The countless names of illnesses do not really matter. What does matter is that they all come from the same root cause...too much tissue acid waste in the body!
Theodore A. Baroody, N.D., D.C., Ph.D.

Understanding pH
pH (potential of hydrogen) is a measure of the acidity or alkalinity of a solution. It is measured on a scale of 0 to 14—the lower the pH the more acidic the solution, the higher the pH the more alkaline (or base) the solution. When a solution is neither acid nor alkaline it has a pH of 7 which is neutral.
Water is the most abundant compound in the human body, comprising 70% of the body. The body has an acid-alkaline (or acid-base) ratio called the pH which is a balance between positively charges ions (acid-forming) and negatively charged ions (alkaline-forming.) The body continually strives to balance pH. When this balance is compromised many problems can occur.

It is important to understand that we are not talking about stomach acid or the pH of the stomach. We are talking about the pH of the body's fluids and tissues which is an entirely different matter.
Test Your Body's Acidity or Alkalinity with pH Strips:
It is recommended that you test your pH levels to determine if your body's pH needs immediate attention. By using pH test strips, you can determine your pH factor quickly and easily in the privacy of your own home. If your urinary pH fluctuates between 6.0 to 6.5 in the morning and between 6.5 and 7.0 in the evening, your body is functioning within a healthy range. If your saliva stays between 6.5 and 7.5 all day, your body is functioning within a healthy range. The best time to test your pH is about one hour before a meal and two hours after a meal.

Most people who suffer from unbalanced pH are acidic. This condition forces the body to borrow minerals—including calcium, sodium, potassium and magnesium—from vital organs and bones to buffer (neutralize) the acid and safely remove it from the body. Because of this strain, the body can suffer severe and prolonged damage due to high acidity—a condition that may go undetected for years. Mild acidosis can cause such problems as:

·Cardiovascular damage, including the constriction of blood vessels and the reduction of oxygen.
·Weight gain, obesity and diabetes.
·Bladder and kidney conditions, including kidney stones.
·Immune deficiency.
·Acceleration of free radical damage, possibly contributing to cancerous mutations.
·Hormone concerns.
·Premature aging.
·Osteoporosis; weak, brittle bones, hip fractures and bone spurs.
·Joint pain, aching muscles and lactic acid buildup.
·Low energy and chronic fatigue.
·Slow digestion and elimination.
·Yeast/fungal overgrowth.


pH and Bone Loss:

A recent seven-year study conducted at the University of California, San Francisco, on 9,000 women showed that those who have chronic acidosis are at greater risk for bone loss than those who have normal pH levels. The scientists who carried out this experiment believe that many of the hip fractures prevalent among middle-aged women are connected to high acidity caused by a diet rich in animal foods and low in vegetables. This is because the body borrows calcium from the bones in order to balance pH. — American Journal of Clinical Nutrition


Urine pH
Urine testing may indicate how well your body is excreting acids and assimilating minerals, especially calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium. These minerals function as "buffers." Buffers are substances that help maintain and balance the body against the introduction of too much acidity or too much alkalinity. Even with the proper amounts of buffers, acid or alkaline levels can become extreme. When the body ingests or produces too many of these acids or alkalis, it must excrete the excess. The urine is the perfect way for the body to remove any excess acids or alkaline substances that cannot be buffered. If the average urine pH is below 6.5 the body's buffering system is overwhelmed, a state of "autotoxication" exists, and attention should be given to lowering acid levels.

Saliva pH
The results of saliva testing may indicate the activity of digestive enzymes in the body. These enzymes are primarily manufactured by the stomach, liver and pancreas. While the saliva also utilizes buffers just like the urine, it relies on this process to a much lesser degree. If the saliva pH is too low (below 6.5), the body may be producing too many acids or may be overwhelmed by acids because it has lost the ability to adequately remove them through the urine. If the saliva pH is too high (over 6.8), the body may suffer greatly, e.g. excess gas, constipation and production of yeast, mold and fungus. Some people will have acidic pH readings from both urine and saliva—this is referred to as "double acid."

Keeping the Balance Right for Excellent Health

Your body is able to assimilate minerals and nutrients properly only when its pH is balanced. It is therefore possible for you to be taking healthy nutrients and yet be unable to absorb or use them. If you are not getting the results you expected from your nutritional or herbal program, look for an acid alkaline imbalance.

What Causes Me to be Acidic?

The reason acidosis is more common in our society is mostly due to the typical American diet, which is far too high in acid-producing animal products like meat, eggs and dairy, and far too low in alkaline-producing foods like fresh vegetables. Additionally, we eat acid-producing processed foods like white flour and sugar and drink acid-producing beverages like coffee and soft drinks. We use too many drugs, which are acid-forming; and we use artificial chemical sweetners like NutraSweet, Equal, or aspartame, which are extremely acid-forming. One of the best things we can do to correct an overly-acid body is to clean up the diet and lifestyle.


Note that a food's acid or alkaline-forming tendency in the body has nothing to do with the actual pH of the food itself. For example, lemons are very acidic, however the end-products they produce after digestion and assimilation are very alkaline so lemons are alkaline-forming in the body. Likewise, meat will test alkaline before digestion but it leaves very acidic residue in the body so, like nearly all animal products, meat is very acid-forming.

 

[racquetman]

Sure, I think this has a lot of validity. The question is what comes first - the disease or the low pH? The body is just too complicated though to make blatant generalizations. I'm sure that people with a "lower than normal pH" have lived long lifes with no problems. Probably this rule applies for the majority though.

Is our diet the cause of this? Are other factors involved? Too many questions, and not enough answers. Eating right is a good first step.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

I vote for "Angry Gods".

 

[loserwife]

I agree eating right is a good first step. Also, drinking plenty of fluids...preferably water to flush out all the toxins in your body.





Sure, I think this has a lot of validity. The question is what comes first - the disease or the low pH? The body is just too complicated though to make blatant generalizations. I'm sure that people with a "lower than normal pH" have lived long lifes with no problems. Probably this rule applies for the majority though.

Is our diet the cause of this? Are other factors involved? Too many questions, and not enough answers. Eating right is a good first step

 

[Sheep]

I vote for "Angry Gods".

Oh your going to get heck for that one

I don't under stand some of the stuff being said in this article, that, and the font is too small to read

Basically, I believe proper diet and exercise is a key first step. Something that very few people do. I try to go to the gym everyday, but its hard without a car.

I also think genetics have alot to do with it. I don't get cold sores (basically herbies) yet everyone in my family does. Why? genetics.

Its not to cut and dry. Many factors to take into account.

SheepStar

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

I don't get cold sores (basically herbies)

Nothing like having an air-cooled Volkswagen growing in the crack of your mouth, eh?

 

[Sheep]

Nothing like having an air-cooled Volkswagen growing in the crack of your mouth, eh?

I wouldn't know

SheepStar

 

[furrycute]

There is alkalosis, acidosis, then there is the question of whether the alkalosis or acidosis is metabolic, respiratory or combined.

But pH imbalance is only a very small subset of disease processes. Most often than not, pH imbalance is a secondary effect of other disease processes (the most common being vomitting, diarrhea, etc.) rather than being the primary cause of the disease.



And I voted the "complete BS." No offense to the original poster. But I just cannot agree with what is being said.

 

[cam]

He was just kidding with you, you called it herbies not herpies, unless your family has a brand new disease called herbies.

 

[Sheep]

He was just kidding with you, you called it herbies not herpies, unless your family has a brand new disease called herbies.

Whoops ! LOL... aww that is funny. HAHAHAAHA I'm going to leave that miskate there.

Herby is also a fuzzy animal...

SheepStar

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

There is alkalosis, acidosis, then there is the question of whether the alkalosis or acidosis is metabolic, respiratory or combined.

But pH imbalance is only a very small subset of disease processes. Most often than not, pH imbalance is a secondary effect of other disease processes (the most common being vomitting, diarrhea, etc.) rather than being the primary cause of the disease.

And I voted the "complete BS." No offense to the original poster. But I just cannot agree with what is being said.

No offense taken. That's why it was posted as a poll.

Here's some food for thought - agree or disagree :


*Cancer tumors cannot live in alkaline water.

*All kinds of soft drinks are very acidic, especially colas. It takes 32 glasses of high pH alkaline water to neutralize a glass of cola.

*It is well known by the medical profession that disease loves acid. In fact, another physician from Loma Linda University said in a speech that if we could get our cells to maintain a normal pH (slightly alkaline), cancer could not grow in our bodies.

*Cancer can't live in an oxygen-rich environment.

*Two Nobel prizes have been awarded for the man who discovered the cause of cancer. The cause of cancer was anaerobism, or lack of oxygen.

*Most degenerative diseases -aging, cancer, osteoporosis, heart disease, kidney stones, even allergies can be scientifically linked to mineral deficiencies. The human body, when it lacks these minerals, begins to build up acids. Acid drives out the oxygen.

*If you test your pH, you can determine whether or not you have a high chance of getting cancer, because your pH is directly related to calcium deficiency. If you are acidic, you are calcium deficient.

*When the sun strikes your body, you produce vitamin D. Vitamin D allows you to absorb 10 times as much nutrition. When the sun strikes your face, your pituitary, your pineal and hypothalamus which are behind your eyes, they produce calcitonin and melatonin and serotonin, phosphate, all these nutrients coordinate with the minerals to give you a healthy body.

*By the time the average American's 35, he has more calcium going out of his body than into the body and that's when it starts. By the time he's 60, about 98 percent are totally calcium deficient and that's why we have people 60 with heart disease, lupus, Parkinson's. All these diseases are caused by acidosis. Take heart disease for example. Have you ever heard anybody having hardening of the veins?

*By the time you're 60, about 98 percent of the population is "acidic."

*Cholesterol isn't the cause of heart disease, acidosis is.

*If the average person over 70 were to double his cholesterol, he could live 10 years longer. Do you know that lowering your cholesterol can potentially cause strokes? An artery is different than a vein because it has muscle tissue around the outside. When acid eats a hole in it, you most likely will die if it breaks. Your body has protection. The first thing it does is it hardens the artery to protect the burst. The acid is eating a hole in it . When it compresses, it cracks. Cholesterol seals that crack. Many won't believe this, but it's true.

*High cholesterol means that you're probably calcium deficient. It's the calcium deficiency that's gonna cause the disease, not cholesterol.

*Kilmer McCully has been nominated for the Nobel prize. He quoted "it's the acid eating the holes in the artery wall that's the cause of heart disease, and not cholesterol."

*The Journal of the AMA recently quoted the Strang Cancer Research Institute saying that calcium supplements reverse cancer. In fact, 1500 milligrams a day is enough to reverse colon cancer.

*Look at these people like Michael Fox who's got Parkinson's which we know is caused by free radicals chewing up his brain. Free radical by definition is starved for electrons and it's positively charged. Now if smother it in electrons, you destroy it. So if you make your body alkaline by taking calcium, the free radicals are destroyed on entry, you can't get Parkinson's.

References: AMA: the New England Journal of Medicine: the Strang Cancer Research Institute

 

[Tomorrow]

No offense taken. That's why it was posted as a poll.

Here's some food for thought - agree or disagree :


*Cancer tumors cannot live in alkaline water.

*All kinds of soft drinks are very acidic, especially colas. It takes 32 glasses of high pH alkaline water to neutralize a glass of cola.

*It is well known by the medical profession that disease loves acid. In fact, another physician from Loma Linda University said in a speech that if we could get our cells to maintain a normal pH (slightly alkaline), cancer could not grow in our bodies.

*Cancer can't live in an oxygen-rich environment.

*Two Nobel prizes have been awarded for the man who discovered the cause of cancer. The cause of cancer was anaerobism, or lack of oxygen.

*Most degenerative diseases -aging, cancer, osteoporosis, heart disease, kidney stones, even allergies can be scientifically linked to mineral deficiencies. The human body, when it lacks these minerals, begins to build up acids. Acid drives out the oxygen.

*If you test your pH, you can determine whether or not you have a high chance of getting cancer, because your pH is directly related to calcium deficiency. If you are acidic, you are calcium deficient.

*When the sun strikes your body, you produce vitamin D. Vitamin D allows you to absorb 10 times as much nutrition. When the sun strikes your face, your pituitary, your pineal and hypothalamus which are behind your eyes, they produce calcitonin and melatonin and serotonin, phosphate, all these nutrients coordinate with the minerals to give you a healthy body.

*By the time the average American's 35, he has more calcium going out of his body than into the body and that's when it starts. By the time he's 60, about 98 percent are totally calcium deficient and that's why we have people 60 with heart disease, lupus, Parkinson's. All these diseases are caused by acidosis. Take heart disease for example. Have you ever heard anybody having hardening of the veins?

*By the time you're 60, about 98 percent of the population is "acidic."

*Cholesterol isn't the cause of heart disease, acidosis is.

*If the average person over 70 were to double his cholesterol, he could live 10 years longer. Do you know that lowering your cholesterol can potentially cause strokes? An artery is different than a vein because it has muscle tissue around the outside. When acid eats a hole in it, you most likely will die if it breaks. Your body has protection. The first thing it does is it hardens the artery to protect the burst. The acid is eating a hole in it . When it compresses, it cracks. Cholesterol seals that crack. Many won't believe this, but it's true.

*High cholesterol means that you're probably calcium deficient. It's the calcium deficiency that's gonna cause the disease, not cholesterol.

*Kilmer McCully has been nominated for the Nobel prize. He quoted "it's the acid eating the holes in the artery wall that's the cause of heart disease, and not cholesterol."

*The Journal of the AMA recently quoted the Strang Cancer Research Institute saying that calcium supplements reverse cancer. In fact, 1500 milligrams a day is enough to reverse colon cancer.

*Look at these people like Michael Fox who's got Parkinson's which we know is caused by free radicals chewing up his brain. Free radical by definition is starved for electrons and it's positively charged. Now if smother it in electrons, you destroy it. So if you make your body alkaline by taking calcium, the free radicals are destroyed on entry, you can't get Parkinson's.

References: AMA: the New England Journal of Medicine: the Strang Cancer Research Institute

Holy smokes. I have had two kinds of cancer and serious heart disease including a semi-fatal heart attack (the jury is still out, lol). I better start eating some lye and bonemeal.

(j/k... about the diet part)

Buck, I fear much of this is still a chicken and egg thing. Undefeatable proof would set the medical community afire. There is no doubt that diet has an immense effect upon our daily lives and continuing health, but solid research with WmAx style proof is sorely lacking.

I am well versed in both of these disease platforms, and I can tell you that no such generalization can be made to a degree beyond diet can perhaps mitigate the effects of disease as measured in the general population. Absolute statements, such as the above, "*Kilmer McCully has been nominated for the Nobel prize. He quoted "it's the acid eating the holes in the artery wall that's the cause of heart disease, and not cholesterol."" do not further the battle. Why, they are ignoring recent data and are measurably inaccurate because of their exclusiveness. These are very complex disease modalities and cannot be so simply resolved.

And by the way, as one of the senior set, I disagree with "aging" being called a "degenerative disease". (Although, that certainly seems true in my case. )

On your side? .... My sister is 74 years old, still runs marathons, last year hiked Mt. Kilamanjaro. She has a Ph.D. in exactly what you're discussing, has written a few books on the matter (so I've been forced to read them ). She believes she will live forever...that the technology is just around the corner. For real. Somehow, I don't think I want to, though. Nonetheless, wouldn't it be wonderful if true?!

These issues you bring up provide an excellent set of questions to explore. Good on you!

PS: I intend no offense to the Loma Linda physician you quote, nor to the Seventh Day Adventists that run the school, but it is not exactly considered a Baylor or Johns Hopkins.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

RJ,

Sorry to hear about the cancer. What does your sister suggest?

To be totally honest, I research this info myself. It all started three years ago when I was so ill in bed, I refused to sleep until I found a cure (or the best medicine) for the flu/cold. After hours on the net, I came up with H2O2.

I do not believe in miracles. I don't even trust doctors - for the most part. Three of my best friends growing up became physicians. My wife is a MPT. Mother is an RN. Three close family members are DDS - all own their own practice. So medicine runs in the family/friends.

Not one of them knew about H2O2.

I'm just curious if anyone here does, and knows it's benefits. It's completely eliminated visits to CVS/Walgreens in this household.

 

[Tomorrow]

RJ,

Sorry to hear about the cancer. What does your sister suggest?

Thanks, Buck. It has been some fun battle...all of these challenges, in fact. But then, that's what makes each day so grand...another day!!

My sister knows I'm a lost cause. She has made a ton of suggestions, some of which I adopt...some I don't. There are really far too many to list. Actually we're so different, there is talk about strange paternal unrelationships amongst my siblings, lol.

She's in the midst of moving from San Diego to Durango. When she gets settled, I'll ask her to send a book or two your way. I think you'd really enjoy them. I'll get your addie then. (Anyone else interested? PM me. I'll see how many she can spare, tho' no promises.)

But hey, a relative of mine you SHOULD be reading is Mark Budz. (Cousin.) He just won some prestigious awards for a couple of science fiction novels. 'Clade' is the first, and is a great read.

Ah, here I go wandering off topic with stream-of-consciousness writing. I'm gonna start calling myself Mulester8!

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

So by that rational, anyone who consumes daily vitamin & mineral supplements will never get sick and live forever? Color me skeptical.

 

[mike c]

hey buck, H2O2 as in hydrogen peroxide?
how do you take this? oral? (im also interested in beating the flu/cold)

 

[ironlung]

Beware!!!!

I vote for "Angry Gods".

Only people who deserve cancer get it, same with AIDS.

All smitten by an angy god.

Merry "Christ"mas
Ironlung

 

[Tomorrow]

So by that rational, anyone who consumes daily vitamin & mineral supplements will never get sick and live forever? Color me skeptical.

Well, it's MUCH more complex than that, Ninja. I said my sis believed that "technology", not vities and supplements, would make her virtually immortal. And you can paint me the same color of skeptical. In fact, plain and simple, 'tain't gonna happen. Entropy will see to that. And you know....there is actually more research that proves vitamins and minerals do somewhere between 'nothing' and 'lots of harm' than there is that says they help.

Buck I think is more talking about general body chemistry, a different beast. But definitive statements about understanding body chemistry is like discussing a cure for the roughly 200 forms of cancer. It's completely in the pipe dream stage.

EDIT: Where is chicagomd? I'd wish for him to weigh in on the matter with his take.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

hey buck, H2O2 as in hydrogen peroxide?
how do you take this? oral? (im also interested in beating the flu/cold)

As soon as beginning symptoms of a cold, cough, or flu appear, put three drops of hydrogen peroxide in each ear. Lie down and wait to see if the peroxide bubbles - you'll hear it, it's loud. If it does, it's working. Wait until the fizzing sound stops, and repeat in the other ear. You will never have a full blown out cold again if you catch it early. Usually, it works within a day. I work outside, and in this weather, I'm always getting a bug. I bet I use it at least 1x a week. Haven't had a cold lasting over a day in three years. That's the truth.

I also gargle with it for sore throats, as well as oral hygene. Some mix it with 50% water because it really dries out your mouth. It's excellent as a mouth wash, and even whitens your teeth. All my uncles (dentists) recommend it for killing bacteria in the gums. If you don't floss daily, you should most definitely at least do this 1x a week. It gets between your teeth better than mouthwash.

Make sure you're using the over the counter 3% kind. It's one of the strongest anti-oxidents available, and the best, least expensive cold remedy on the market.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

So by that rational, anyone who consumes daily vitamin & mineral supplements will never get sick and live forever? Color me skeptical.

It's fine to be skeptical. But who said anyone was going to live forever? How about dying of old age instead of from tumors, cancer, and heart failure in your 50's and 60's? One can choose to lead a wreckless life, enjoy themselves, and go out early. But if a little bit of education can add several years to those who havent a clue about what disease is, and how it thrives, how can they even begin to fight it? How about those who want to avoid disease in the first place?

Should we continue to drink a pot of coffee a day, fill up on Big Macs, fries, and soft drinks for lunch, then eat fried chicken and tater tots for dinner? Then pop open a bag of chips and salsa in the evening with three beers - and expect not to get diabetes, tumors, or cancer? C'mon.

It's like the tobacco industry and smoking. Yeah, we all know it's bad for us, but at what point to we accept it?

These are ideas that stem from eating healthy. Is it any wonder diabetes is at an all time high in the US, and most of America suffers from obesity? I'm not saying to pop calcium pills every day - drink three glasses of milk instead. At least get some vegatables and fruit in yourself daily. Even if it's only an apple, 5 mini carrots, some celery, and a salad, I think it will do wonders for everyones health.

Don't even get me started on exercise and kids. Someone should start another thread titled "What would your kid rather do: Game Boy/XBOX indoors or riding bikes outdoors?"