Voltage for tuner and tape input

killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
I'm almost certain, but would like to do the final check. I'm thinking of organizing my system a bit differently and could use some extra inputs. The reason why I ask this question is because it was strange to me to se that the tuner and tape and CD input all have same values.

Does this mean I can use them interchangeably or is there something else I need to check first?

I’m attaching the manual, it’s not big. The specs are all the way at the bottom.

Just for the info: what I want to do is bypass my laptop when I’m listening to my music server. I’m thinking of getting a small USB DAC, plug it in my NAS and connect it to one of my amp’s inputs. Since I don’t use tuner nor tape, I was thinking reserving one of those as a permanent connection for the NAS.

Phono Is out of the question and AUX is for some reason outside of the remotes reach. I don’t know why they did it like this, but remote goes from TAPE 2 to PHONO. AUX is before TAPE2 and you can’t switch to it by remote. I might use CD, but since I have some nice CDs, there’s still chance I’ll get a CD player. That’s why I’m wondering about TAPE and TUNER inputs.
 

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killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
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WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

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The reason why I ask this question is because it was strange to me to see that the tuner and tape and CD input all have same values.

Does this mean I can use them interchangeably?
All inputs except Phono are interchangeable.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
All inputs except Phono are interchangeable.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
Thank you very much, pack leader! I really didn't know this. I found it especially strange for the tapes, I thought they must ask for a stronger signal. Apprently not.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Like Wayne says, only the phono stage is typically different, with a much lower input sensitivity (like 2.5mV). Doesn't mean all sources are providing same level, but the minimum line level voltage for a typical line input is 200mV from most units I've seen, which should accommodate most sources easily enough.
 
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Thank you very much, pack leader! I really didn't know this. I found it especially strange for the tapes, I thought they must ask for a stronger signal. Apprently not.
What the tape sees and what the input of the receiver/preamp/integrated amp/AVR sees are very different. Line level was basically standardized because different brands made their models of equipment to work with their own products, but not necessarily with someone else's because it was a good business model and because it was a way of saying "That won't work" when a different brand of source or amplifier was used. Once people started making their own choices and tinkering with something in order to make it work with something or in a way that was never intended, the manufacturers decided that it was in their best interest to standardize. That's when the marketing departments started working their magic. Yay.

A tape head sends very low voltage to the tape because it can't handle much before distortion becomes a huge problem but once it's recorded with full frequency range and low distortion, anything else is academic WRT impedance mismatches, gain/output level and allowing enough headroom to be useful.

The original standards for just about all audio equipment started with low impedance/balanced input/output and was mostly commercial/industrial/reference equipment before seeing demand from consumers. Also, it would have been unusual for one piece to be connected to another, so universal specs for consumer goods weren't really needed. Once consumer goods were being designed, they found ways to make them at lower cost and changing to unbalanced/high impedance made sense because none of the equipment was far from anything else in the system and often, it was in the same cabinet.
 
killdozzer

killdozzer

Audioholic Samurai
What the tape sees and what the input of the receiver/preamp/integrated amp/AVR sees are very different. Line level was basically standardized because different brands made their models of equipment to work with their own products, but not necessarily with someone else's because it was a good business model and because it was a way of saying "That won't work" when a different brand of source or amplifier was used. Once people started making their own choices and tinkering with something in order to make it work with something or in a way that was never intended, the manufacturers decided that it was in their best interest to standardize. That's when the marketing departments started working their magic. Yay.

A tape head sends very low voltage to the tape because it can't handle much before distortion becomes a huge problem but once it's recorded with full frequency range and low distortion, anything else is academic WRT impedance mismatches, gain/output level and allowing enough headroom to be useful.

The original standards for just about all audio equipment started with low impedance/balanced input/output and was mostly commercial/industrial/reference equipment before seeing demand from consumers. Also, it would have been unusual for one piece to be connected to another, so universal specs for consumer goods weren't really needed. Once consumer goods were being designed, they found ways to make them at lower cost and changing to unbalanced/high impedance made sense because none of the equipment was far from anything else in the system and often, it was in the same cabinet.
Thank you very much!
 

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