Vishorns the final chapter....?

[phase10]

Hi all
Thanks so much for all your help so far. This is my last go at it before I make my informed choice.
I have managed to do quite a lot since starting this forum. Thanks to many ideas and help I have been all over my first post.
Now with the couple of days I had off, I visited many hi-fi venues including Vaf research vafcomau a manufacturer and retailer in one. They have many reviews available and it was a pleasure to hear their signature I-93 speakers.
I also put the vishorns under the microscope and gave them a thorough audition. The guy would could not tell me what he paid for them as he said it was part of a package deal from a demonstration event in the USA. He says he got them their as part of his work. Well at any rate the knowledge that I have obtained from the general opinions is they are copies so I have used that to my advantage and got him to drop his price. Now 6.5k
So at this time I have not bought anything yet, we will see My final favorites are
Kef iQ 9 series, Bowers and Wilkins 683 series and the huge Vaf I-93. The Vafs are great but if I get them I cant buy surrounds or a centre as my budget will be wiped out for a while.
In the mean time I still will consider the Vishorns as it comes with six speakers and the amp.
This site that I have found has a picture of the front speakers in question. They also appear like you can order them if you are a registered business. himfr.com/d-p113443933919798600-V_1000_Vhapsody_Speaker/ hope it loads up needs http :// etc in front
I had pictures from the guys place of the fronts, two centers, and two surrounds but I cant work out how to post them on this site. The link above shows the mains the V-1000.

Now for some reply's that I feel silly for asking but if you do not ask you not know?

Quote from a reply
"The design itself shows no knowledge of actual acoustics engineering (lots of vertically stacked direct radiators flat on the face of a large box), but plenty of audiophile marketing engineering (large, heavy and pretty). If that translates into great sound for you.....again, buy it and enjoy."

In regards to what you say in this statement with all the speakers I have seen in the last few days could you explain to me what you mean. As the Vaf, Kef, B&W's and Krix Neuphonix, they were all in a way like the Vishorns, both Had mid range woofers set on top of their tweeters? Am I to imagine that the speakers tower should be curved?

On another note about the Vishorn Amp are we sure it really a dud? Its over twenty KG it has some of the most ornate heat sinks I have ever seen and its size is massive. He told me once he blew a fuse and the tec that fixed it said it had a hell of a lot of circutry in it. Also had a dot tft lcd display and self input sensing with a usb input. It has ten speaker out puts on the back. I assume form the mains that 4 of ten are for bi-amping the mains. the others are two subs, two surrounds and two centers. I was told it could out put 240 watts per channel at 4 ohm. The mains are only 150 watts, so I guess you got to watch how much gusto you give em.
Also the mains as per the link, look beautiful with a piano gloss finish. each speaker has a polished aluminum surround and tasteful veneer. How do you know a copie??? Gee you lot must want to put me into the corner an say do your home work!!!
So with all I have to take on board I seek a final word from the Hi fi gurus if I am being sucked in by pretty looks and specs, is it just a fire hazard and will my mates forever say Vishorn is that a restaurant in um...
Or should I ignore this strange lot chalk it up as a great experience and learning curve and buy one of my short listed speakers??

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I think personally I wont buy Chinese speakers for $10k (US) no matter how good they appear to sound to you in controlled environment....
You mentioned few good brands like KEF and B&W, never heard of Vaf - they do appear legit, however Imho 10k US should buy you near reference 7.1 system including electronics...
I already mentioned SVS sound local distributor. If I were you i'd check if you can import SalkSound speakers like Songtower QWT and Veracity HT2-TL - as they both recieved standing applause response from most demanding reviewers here at AH.

 

[dkane360]

Something doesn't seem right with the Vishorn company, and I wouldn't trust its products in my house.

They also claim to having a 35,000 square meter manufacturing facility, yet they have less than $1 million in capital. What if you buy the vishorns then something breaks? Do you think it'll be a breeze and their customer service will help you out? Based on what I've seen, I wouldn't even expect a response. I just flat out advise against getting them.

 

[jamie2112]

I would have to say Forget the vishorns.They seem like a very sketchy company and as mentioned customer service and parts could be a MAJOR issue.I would stick to brands that are already proven and reviewed.This way you will get the best speaker for your money.Just about everything about the vishorns makes me want to run away from them.I highly recommend staying away.The B&W's are great speakers as well as the Aperion audio speakers.I myself love the Salk speakers too.The Aperions are risk free and are amazing for the price.Just sayin......

 

[AJinFLA]

As the Vaf, Kef, B&W's and Krix Neuphonix, they were all in a way like the Vishorns, both Had mid range woofers set on top of their tweeters? Am I to imagine that the speakers tower should be curved?

What you have not told us is which speakers, based on your listening and what you prefer sound wise, was the favorite. It should matter very little what "gurus" think is best for you, rather than what your ears, wallet and eyes told you. The "gurus" won't be sitting in your living room for the next few years. You will.
Btw, no, nothing to do with curves per se.

In regards to what you say in this statement with all the speakers I have seen in the last few days could you explain to me what you mean

A full explanation would be too lengthy. Basically, a speaker radiates sound in all directions. When you sit 10' back from them in a room, you hear not only the sound coming directly from the speakers to you, but lots of reflected sound off the room surfaces. This means that it is important that the speakers radiated (polar) response be as uniform as possible. The design criteria I mentioned, which covers most (but not all) speakers, makes that impossible.
Of the speakers you mentioned, the KEF is different in that its tweeter is mounted coaxially with the midrange. It will have a much more uniform response than the other designs. The KEF center will sound identical (due to this reason) with the exception of the bass response,which is dictated by placement in the room (often on top of a TV, etc.), same as any other center.

Or should I ignore this strange lot chalk it up as a great experience and learning curve and buy one of my short listed speakers??

You should trust your own judgment of what you hear and desire, keeping in mind the (sometimes emotional driven, non-objective) warnings about warranty, repairs, resale value, etc. when deciding what is best....for you.

My personal (non-"guru") recommendation from your short list/budget, would be the KEF's (+ center) and a couple subwoofers (spaced around the room)....but then again, I don't listen to "dance" music, or sit in your living room so take it with a grain of salt...or two .

cheers,

AJ

 

[phase10]

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I already mentioned SVS sound local distributor. If I were you i'd check if you can import SalkSound speakers like Songtower QWT and Veracity HT2-TL - as they both recieved standing applause response from most demanding reviewers here at AH.


Hi
Yes I have now had a look at SVS and the HT2-TL review sounds very tempting.
One member said they were most likely photo shopped. I would have to agree now other wise for sure someone would have told me by now that you could buy them in a retail shop and by the way here is a link to a review.
Best of all, a member on here said I would be thanking him if I did not buy them.
Well

THANKS A BUNCH!!

I might be a CHUMP for getting sucked in by the size and specs of Vishorn.

But thanks to this site I am a 10k better off CHUMP!!
I can take my time and re learn what to listen for when it comes to hi-fi speakers. Specs are not everything?
And as Seth said what kind of warranty would I get??
If I damage my amp due to a bad made speaker I would have to pay for it?
Its buyer be ware last I checked from a garage type sale....

I have an okay set up at home, it should do me until I find a system that suits me.

 

[phase10]

Something doesn't seem right with the Vishorn company, and I wouldn't trust its products in my house.

They also claim to having a 35,000 square meter manufacturing facility, yet they have less than $1 million in capital. What if you buy the vishorns then something breaks? Do you think it'll be a breeze and their customer service will help you out? Based on what I've seen, I wouldn't even expect a response. I just flat out advise against getting them.

Yes I agree, I have calmed down from my over excited I have found a bargain to Who the Hell is Vishorn and why in the world should I pay money for something that if it breaks I would not be able to get a similar replacement speaker. I came so close to buying them by justifying the specs that its scary

 

[tom67]

A put on.....right?

People who have 10K to spend for speakers rarely make moves like this! Especially one that has auditioned some legit brands for much less...

 

[phase10]

People who have 10K to spend for speakers rarely make moves like this! Especially one that has auditioned some legit brands for much less...

Hi
Well it could look that way....
I have been interested in loudspeakers for a long time. I read countless hi-fi magazines and reviews on speakers. That said I have much to learn given what I have read on forums.
I once went into a hi-fi store and they demoed a set of VAF Signature I-93 speakers, they played Saving private Ryan dvd. Now they did not blast them like say JB hi-fi or Harvey Norman would they sat me down picked out certain parts and asked me if I could hear things I would not normally listen for like birds and the sound fluid natural sounds when the solders are under water etc. They did also turn them up for a small rin with the bullet blasting beach landing. WOW>>>>>>>
Now the company makes and sells their speakers in Australia Adelaide and if you want them you are going to have to fly over hear to get them. Some one posted that they have never heard of them. Well I had NEVER heard of VIshorn!! In fact most people who buy Hi-fi, a John Smith may never see brands outside of the major shopping centre hi-fi brands. Sony, Pansonic etc etc. Further more If you happen to gloss over a Audio magazine its brand after brand of speakers with cool and the wacky shapes and names. Adam tensor, Elac FS 249 series, Piega, Aaron HSS Hyperboloid, Paradigm etc etc.
So I Thought Vishorn eh? not heard of this, oh and its specs yep they are great as any of the speaker reviews specs I had seen. ( I have newer seen B&W 800D or Legacy Audio other than on reviews and I know I will never have the money for 35k plus speakers. But you take the word of the paid editor and say yep that’s goods stuff!
So I had Really Really really hoped that the Visorns at 140kg pair 35hz to 30khz 88db would be a bargain at the price. What sucks is despite the fact that they turned out to be china speakers. The sounds they made were great If I was blindfolded and told to listen how would I know?
The VAF speakers that the other dude had not heard of have rewiews in magazines and online. DVD NOW, Best Buys, Home Theatre , Rolling stones magazine and sound and image magazine. VAF specs 88db at 1m (2.83v). up to 500w rms. 21hz to 19khz. flat phase response +/- 5 degrees (100hz-200hz)
I be willing to bet I still could find more hi-fi speakers with reputable brands if I googled and looked for it.
Germany makes speakers and I cant buy them hear in AU. My uncle got a set once on holidays and bought them back, Magnat vintage 500. I had to use Google translate to read the web page. It was hard to find any info or specs. SO How about Vishorn are they still crap? I never laid eyes on legacy audios, but the finish on the vishorns is great!, the aluminum highlights mmmm Stuff that’s cheap made is like so obvious but these speakers are not in that league at all.
I posted a picture of it on projector central "dot" com under forums, under, Home theatre: My home theater set up questions, if your keen?

 

[tom67]

Ahhhh....now I understand....

What you want to do is find a Nigerian company where you can wire the money several months in advance of shipment....then just sit and wait patiently.....