Vintage Turntable help lots of questions!

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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
History of BSR according too http://www.stereomanuals.com/man/rep/bsr/bsr_history.htm

BSR (Birmingham Sound Reproducers) was founded in England in 1932 (or 1933) as BSR Limited (Ltd) by Dr. Daniel McLean McDonald. BSR was also known for a long time, and by many people, as BSR McDonald. Some of our BSR literature says, "Precision engineered by BSR (USA) Ltd., McDonald Division, Blauvelt, N.Y." Some of the BSR literature is printed such that it is difficult to tell precisely what a particular model number really is.

Example: The service manual for 40A receiver shows BSR McDonald 40A in such a way that one can't be certain if the company name is BSR McDonald and the model number is 40A, or whether the company name is BSR and the model number is McDonald 40A. Inside the manual, the unit is referred to as McDonald 40R. many of the turntable manuals present equally confusing information. But whatever, it is clear that the "McDonald" part was at some point a division of BSR (at least in the USA) and that the McDonald name was closely associated with BSR for a very long time.

In 1951, after producing various electronic products, BSR Limited of Great Britain began to design and manufacture automatic and manual turntables and changers for record players. They rapidly became the leading manufacturer in the world and expanded rapidly during the 1960s and 1970s. During their peak year in 1977, they were producing 250,000 units per week. About 90% was for export because they enjoyed a more than 85% market share in producing changers for the world's leading record player manufacturers.

When BSR of the U.K. established BSR Japan in 1972, it was the first audio equipment manufacturer in Japan to be completely financed by a foreign company. BSR Japan expanded their product line in 1975 when it began supplying ADC (Audio Dynamics Corporation) in the USA with cartridge, stylus and tone arm products. It is unclear to us at this time whether BSR really owned ADC or not. But we know that some ADC equalizers were marketed under the BSR name. Also, ADC's logo for some length of time was: ADC - A BSR Company.

BSR of the U.K. experienced an extraordinary decline in turntable orders in the late 1970s and that forced factory closures within a couple of years. During that period, BSR Japan acquired the USA based DBX company from it's founder, David E. Blackmer in 1979. In 1980, they begin the manufacturing and distribution of DBX company products. Until then, DBX had produced only signal processing products such as dynamic range expansion and noise reduction units. By 1985, BSR of the U.K. produced their last products. BSR Japan expanded the DBX line with other consumer electronics products and continued until about 1988 - 1989.

In 1988, Sanju Chiba acquired BSR Japan and changed its name to CTI Japan. In 1989 CTI Japan sells the DBX business and acquires all rights to the Laser Turntable from the Finial company of the U.S. CTI Japan begins development of the Laser Turntable and later changes it's name to ELPJ. DBX ceases production of it's consumer line and becomes DBX Professional Products.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
...They (BSR) rapidly became the leading manufacturer in the world and expanded rapidly during the 1960s and 1970s. During their peak year in 1977, they were producing 250,000 units per week. About 90% was for export because they enjoyed a more than 85% market share in producing changers for the world's leading record player manufacturers.
And, I believe McDonalds sells more hamburgers than any company in the world but that doesn't make them good. Never confuse quantity with quality....
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
That turntable is a junk Garrard not a BSR. Garrard purposely subsidized the well healed from the sale of junk. They also produced huge numbers of junk turntables. The owners who were the Queen's jewelers were audio enthusiasts and founded Garrard turntables at Swindon Wiltshire, the hub of the Great Western Railway.

They produced huge numbers of junk turntables at a large profit and produced the legendary Garrard 301 and then the 401. Every 301 and 401 was sold at a substantial loss, subsidized by the profits from the junk.

The Garrard turntable in your auction came fitted with Ronette crystal turnover cartridges.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I only bought this because it had a cool early 1970's Retro look to it. Was not designed for travel much to big not a portable turntable. I really don't need antiskate or counterweight just to play back my old albums. Doesn't appear to be from the 50's. I paid $46.99 for it on ebay.
$15 would have been more than enough for the turntable linked to your auction.

You need to be a lot more discriminating. Turntables like you are viewing will ruin your LP collection in a hurry.
 
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3db

Audioholic Slumlord
And, I believe McDonalds sells more hamburgers than any company in the world but that doesn't make them good. Never confuse quantity with quality....
Um where did I do that? :confused: I only gave the history of the make. The rest you implied on your own. ;)
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I never said you did.

Um where did I do that? :confused: I only gave the history of the make. The rest you implied on your own. ;)
But some people will take one sentence and infer something that was never said. I figured I'd nip that right in the bud.

In any case, you would have implied an idea. It would have been the other persons job to infer it. ;)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
That turntable is a junk Garrard not a BSR. Garrard purposely subsidized the well healed from the sale of junk. They also produced huge numbers of junk turntables. The owners who were the Queen's jewelers were audio enthusiasts and founded Garrard turntables at Swindon Wiltshire, the hub of the Great Western Railway.

They produced huge numbers of junk turntables at a large profit and produced the legendary Garrard 301 and then the 401. Every 301 and 401 was sold at a substantial loss, subsidized by the profits from the junk.

The Garrard turntable in your auction came fitted with Ronette crystal turnover cartridges.
Your link is now showing the correct turntable.

That likely has an Astatic crystal cartridge, which are available in retro manufacture. However you will need vintage electronics to play it.

That turntable has a sprung loaded counter weight system. As the arm rises on a warp the tracking force drastically increases and falls on the downside. The bearings of those pickup arms are very stiff. So all in all they are only suitable for very crude high compliance cartridges. The type that will literally plow through your grooves in a single playing.

So yes, you do need a decent arm with a counter weight.
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
Um where did I do that? :confused: I only gave the history of the make. The rest you implied on your own. ;)
I think he was mostly concerned that because you provided such an elaborate history of BSR that someone would infer that they were quality, especially considering how well they sold turntables.

If all that was said here is true it's very likely this table was mass produced and has a lot in common with similar models proceeding and succeeding it. It's not a valuable collectable, and the "buy it now" price should have been a solid indication of that. I have a Sansui SR-222 belt driven table that I'm trying to give away that is better than the BSR, I'm not kidding.

Now if you happen to think the turntable looks cool and you want to display it, fine, I can understand that. TLS guy knows vintage turntables very well and I'd trust him on his word when he says not to use it with records. It's certainly not worth playing any LPs that you care about if it's going to destroy them.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
... very crude high compliance cartridges. The type that will literally plow through your grooves in a single playing.
The needle digs deep to get all of the music out of the groove!!
(Too bad not much is left for the next time!):D
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Beats everyone back with a whip while thrusting forward the chair. Back you savages!!! BACK!! ;)

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There is no way in hell I would buy a BSR because they never made anything remotely good. I only put forth the history because it was a household name when it came to spinning records and I just shared the history of it. The imlication is all yours :p.
Collecting them because the look may apeal to someone ....is well their own thing.

Personally I wouldn't let anything ceremic touch my vinyl. I had a Radio Shack turntable with a Shure Cartrideg and I noticed alot of groove distortion on one of my Yes albums. So I did what any sane man would do who valued his vinyl and couldn't afford a new table. I stop playing my vinyl until I saved my money and purchased what I'm using now, a ProJect Xpression II. That took me three years of planning and saving.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Please Disregard this thread NO REPLIES Please I sent this turntable back to ebay for a full refund going to keep using my Sony!
 

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