Video quality from Sony PS3 Blu-ray to 720p/1080i Plasma HDTV

JK_Livin22

JK_Livin22

Audioholic Intern
When connecting a television that accepts video signals of 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i, is fed a signal from a Sony PS3 playing a Blu-ray DVD, it is my understanding that the best option is to set the PS3 to 720p output because this would mitigate the number of conversions (interlacing/deinterlacing/scaling/etc.) taking place before the video signal actually appears on the television screen for viewing (or would it be better to set the PS3 so that it automatically determines the appropriate signal?).

Given that the PS3, as well as the more capable upconverting DVD players (such as the Oppos and Denons with Faroudja chipsets) are capable of upconverting standard (480p/i?) DVDs to 1080i/720p, which will then be played on the plasma screen in 720p, is there any advantage to using a Blu-ray DVD with TVs that only display 720p? Would the quality not essentially be the same if both are being played in 720p? Perhaps the Blu-ray will deliver superior audio through the AV receiver (which could be reason enough to go with the Blu-ray DVD) but as far as the video, would there be any difference?

How about with an LCD TV instead of plasma; that shouldn't make a difference should it?
 
J

jamie2112

Banned
I think the plasma tvs have a better picture than lcd, but that is my opinion. I can't understand why you wouldn't use 1080i as that is the best resolution, or at least thats what I have been led to believe....There are many more lcd vs plasma debates on this forum, search it out....
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
When connecting a television that accepts video signals of 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i, is fed a signal from a Sony PS3 playing a Blu-ray DVD, it is my understanding that the best option is to set the PS3 to 720p output because this would mitigate the number of conversions (interlacing/deinterlacing/scaling/etc.) taking place before the video signal actually appears on the television screen for viewing (or would it be better to set the PS3 so that it automatically determines the appropriate signal?).

Given that the PS3, as well as the more capable upconverting DVD players (such as the Oppos and Denons with Faroudja chipsets) are capable of upconverting standard (480p/i?) DVDs to 1080i/720p, which will then be played on the plasma screen in 720p, is there any advantage to using a Blu-ray DVD with TVs that only display 720p? Would the quality not essentially be the same if both are being played in 720p? Perhaps the Blu-ray will deliver superior audio through the AV receiver (which could be reason enough to go with the Blu-ray DVD) but as far as the video, would there be any difference?

How about with an LCD TV instead of plasma; that shouldn't make a difference should it?

Normally, it is best to feed a TV a signal that is closest to the format of the TV. Thus, a 720p signal is usually best for a 720p TV, and a 1080p signal is usually best for a 1080p TV. The reason being, when a TV is fed a signal that is not its native format, it must convert the signal to its native format from whatever it is fed.

However, since you are talking about upconverting DVD players, as well as true HD, what will work best depends upon the upconverting abilities of the various particular devices. Thus, if you have an upconverting DVD player and a 720p HDTV, it may turn out that the TV does a better job of converting the signal to 720p than the upconverting DVD player, in which case it would be best to set the DVD player to output SD resolution instead of an upconverted signal. What one should do is try both ways, and see for oneself what is best, and then use the best way for the particular equipment being used.

And no upconverted DVD looks as good as true HD, assuming, of course, that we are talking about viewing the material on an HDTV, and are not so far away that one cannot see details. This will even be the case if you buy what appears to be the best upconverting DVD player ever made, the Oppo DV-983H (which, by the way, uses something better than the Faroudja chipset used in what was formerly Oppo's best player). In other words, if you are viewing the material on an HDTV, and are not far, far away from the TV, you will be able to see the difference between a good Blu-Ray disc played on a Blu-Ray player and a good DVD that is upconverted on the best upconverting DVD player ever made. The Blu-Ray disc will look obviously better (again, assuming one is not too far away from the TV). The reason being, of course, that an upconverted signal cannot magically create detail that is not in the original. But some, of course, make better "guesses" for what should be there than others, so that there can be a considerable difference in quality from one upconverting DVD player to another.

And you are right, it makes no difference whether we are talking about LCD or plasma, or, for that matter, any other type of TV.

Now, as a side issue, which you did not ask about, if one had a 1080p TV, and a device that could output 720p and 1080i, but not 1080p, often, it would be best to select 720p because of the frame rate. However, it may be better to use 1080i; it all depends upon the particular equipment we are talking about.
 
Midcow2

Midcow2

Banned
PQ appears to be better with 1080i

.....Now, as a side issue, which you did not ask about, if one had a 1080p TV, and a device that could output 720p and 1080i, but not 1080p, often, it would be best to select 720p because of the frame rate. However, it may be better to use 1080i; it all depends upon the particular equipment we are talking about.
I have found the PQ to be better if you select the 1080i from the PS3 input device.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
When connecting a television that accepts video signals of 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i, is fed a signal from a Sony PS3 playing a Blu-ray DVD, it is my understanding that the best option is to set the PS3 to 720p output because this would mitigate the number of conversions (interlacing/deinterlacing/scaling/etc.) taking place before the video signal actually appears on the television screen for viewing (or would it be better to set the PS3 so that it automatically determines the appropriate signal?).
It is typically best to set it closest to the native resolution of your display, which would be 720p, but some displays do a phenomenal job with conversion and you may find a bit of a boost in image quality by going with 1080i. I know my Pioneer (768p) can handle 1080p/24 resolution, so that's what I would be using, and then let the TV take it one step from that to the display's native resolution.

Given that the PS3, as well as the more capable upconverting DVD players (such as the Oppos and Denons with Faroudja chipsets) are capable of upconverting standard (480p/i?) DVDs to 1080i/720p, which will then be played on the plasma screen in 720p, is there any advantage to using a Blu-ray DVD with TVs that only display 720p?
Absolutely, there's a fair to tremendous difference between DVD and Blu-ray.

Would the quality not essentially be the same if both are being played in 720p?
DVDs are 480i native material which typically can go through a clean conversion to 480p native. That's about 350,000 native pixels, which then most be converted up to over 900,000 pixels - almost tripling the number of pixels that are required. In contrast, BD starts with about 2,000,000 pixels and can throw away half of the pixels.

On top of that, the color depth of Blu-ray can be greater, and the use of advanced codecs means that you get a far more pristine image from BD vs. DVD.

I actually did a comparison of DVD vs. BD using A Knight's Tale, and while I didn't quite have everything set perfectly, the difference between the two is astounding. The image is below, and both were connected via component, not HDMI - so no upconversion, but I will be redoing the test using the PS3 and my A2 for the DVD test, and the PS3 for HD playback.

The difference here, on my Pioneer 768p display (6070HD) is extraordinary...




Perhaps the Blu-ray will deliver superior audio through the AV receiver (which could be reason enough to go with the Blu-ray DVD) but as far as the video, would there be any difference?
Yes, and significantly. As well, while your current TV isn't 1080p, isn't it likely that your next TV will be at least that resolution.

How about with an LCD TV instead of plasma; that shouldn't make a difference should it?
Not for this, no.

EDIT: Here is the full size original images of Blu-ray Disc and the comparison DVD - no Photoshop or effects were used to alter these images at all.

http://www.avintegrated.com/images/bluraydisc/bluray_knights.jpg

http://www.avintegrated.com/images/bluraydisc/dvd_knights.jpg
 
patnshan

patnshan

Senior Audioholic
My 720p projector seems to look best at 1080p from the PS3 and 1080i from the cable box and HD DVD player, ie: the sources highest output. I am not sure why this is, but I recommend trying them all for your particular display.

Pat
 
A

allargon

Audioholic General
A lot of players have lousy downscalers. I can't speak for the PS3. However, I will say that all the Toshiba HD DVD players look best output at 1080i even to a 720/768p display.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
My 720p projector seems to look best at 1080p from the PS3 and 1080i from the cable box and HD DVD player, ie: the sources highest output. I am not sure why this is, but I recommend trying them all for your particular display.

Pat
I would guess that if you were playing upconverted DVDs instead of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, it would look better if you set your player to upconvert to 720p. The reason being, of course, that generating extra lines, and then dropping some of the extra lines, will probably degrade the picture quality. Of course, the only way to know for sure would be to try it out.
 
J

juliusdeane

Audioholic Intern
A lot of players have lousy downscalers. I can't speak for the PS3. However, I will say that all the Toshiba HD DVD players look best output at 1080i even to a 720/768p display.
Can anyone else speak for the PS3? I have a 768p display and was planning on using 720p output, but I didn't consider the weakness of PS3's downscaler. I know the upscaler is supposed to be great.
 
DTS

DTS

Senior Audioholic
I am using the PS3 with my 55 inch plasma Hitachi 55HDT79 [which is 768p] and am very pleased with everything I've loaded into it.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I run my PS3 in 720p to a 720p/1080i set also and I have no complaints with the PQ at all.
 
J

juliusdeane

Audioholic Intern
I am using the PS3 with my 55 inch plasma Hitachi 55HDT79 [which is 768p] and am very pleased with everything I've loaded into it.
Are you running the PS3 at 720?
 
G

gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Are you running the PS3 at 720?
I have a 768p Panny and I have my PS3 set to 1080p. I tried both 720 and 1080 and 1080p looks a bit better on my TV. The biggest difference is in games.
 
newsletter

  • RBHsound.com
  • BlueJeansCable.com
  • SVS Sound Subwoofers
  • Experience the Martin Logan Montis
Top