Velodyne vs SVS

[JES14]

Thinking of upgrading subs to something with a lower freq. response. Any opinions on my Velodyne CHT-10 and VX-10 vs 1 SVS PB10-ISD?

 

[mike c]

I would suggest that you save some more money to be able to afford the higher level SVS subs. it looks like you are going through upgradeitis one step at a time. you are just wasting money buying one step up at a time.

 

[Sheep]

I disagree mike, a PB-10 can output down to 15Hz at 95+dB's. Thats all anyone really needs.

A PB-10 would out-due those subwoofers put together. I have a DPS-12 and I still don't think it would beat a PB-10.

SheepStar

 

[j_garcia]

I would have to disagree with Sheep on that one to some extent. I'm not sure where you got 95dBs at 15Hz from, but that will depend on the room. I only got ~70dB at 16Hz with the PB-10. There are a lot of factors that come into play. Individually, the PB-10 will slaughter either of those subs, but together, they most likely have as much or a little more output than the PB-10 does higher up and coming close down low, though I still don't think those two will reach much below 20Hz.

 

[mike c]

i am not saying the pb-10 cant output the low end.
im saying, he stop buying the entry levels because one day, he WILL want something better.

 

[edwelly]

Mike - I would rather have 2 PB10s vs. one fo the PB12s/Ultra/Plus etc. as the PB10 for me is just fantastic sounding. I am coming inot a little bit of cash and I am having a LOT of trouble deciding on whether to get another PB10 or an amp? Not sure I can swing both right now, though...

 

[JES14]

Thanks for the input guys.
While I agree I may want something else down the line, my gear is not entry level, IMO.
I heard a Paradigm Siesmec 10 which has kind of wet my appetite for a sub that really goes down low. But at $1500.00 CDN on sale it is not in the budget.
What I am hoping for is something like the SVS, which goes under 20hz and does'nt break the bank. Of course not being able to audition one, I need opinions. Mostly do you feel this would fill the room as well as the 2 Velodynes? 1 opinion Yes, 2 no's.
The spec's read around 28hz for the CHT and I know the VX is over 30.
I am open to opinions on the the PB-12 as well.

 

[Sheep]

I would have to disagree with Sheep on that one to some extent. I'm not sure where you got 95dBs at 15Hz from, but that will depend on the room. I only got ~70dB at 16Hz with the PB-10. There are a lot of factors that come into play. Individually, the PB-10 will slaughter either of those subs, but together, they most likely have as much or a little more output than the PB-10 does higher up and coming close down low, though I still don't think those two will reach much below 20Hz.

No no, not 95dB's for 15Hz, an average of 95dB from 15Hz - 100Hz. Sorry, should have specified.

Heres my proof: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/svs-pb10-subwoofer-10-2004.html

JES, you should have specified that you live in Canada. A PB-10 is around 750-800 once you factor in taxes, duty and shipping. Listen to what you can in your area and see what you like. The Paradigm PW2100 should perform well around 700 dollars (last I checked).

SheepStar

 

[JES14]

Yes I should have mentioned that I'm in Canada. But I do realize the extra costs involved, I had figured around $750 as well. Is it your opinion that the PW2100 is a better performer?
If it's the concensus that the SVS PB-10 performs no better than any $7-800 unit available here, then I will probably hold off. Even with their return policy it would cost me a few bucks to return.
Again, thanks for the opinions so far and keep em coming!

 

[Takeereasy]

Look into HSU. You can get an STF-3 for $799 up here in Canada. It is by far the better option IMO. That sub will do it all for you, and is as good if not better (most likely better) than a Paradigm pw2200. You can get a VTF-2 MKII for $700 and you'll never have to worry about shipping it back to the States at $50 each way.

 

[JES14]

Thanks, Powerline now carries HSU I believe. I will give them a listen. Although the VTF-2 freq. is around the same as my current CHT-10. The VTF-3 may be worth a look.

 

[Takeereasy]

The VTF 2 goes below 20 with some umph. That's 3 db down from 110db at 25 hz. Tom Nousaine (supposed to be a real authority in this field) got 93 db at 20hz in a huge room. http://www.hsuresearch.com/vtf2_soundvision.pdf

I still say the STF-3 is the sub bargin in Canada right now. It will go well below 20, and is a kick butt sub weighing nearly 80 lbs.

Not to sound rude but that Velodyne can't keep up with either of these two subs, it really is an outclassing of pretty big proportions. That said if you're looking to unload that Velodyne ..... .

 

[JES14]

Sounds promising, I look forward to hearing/feeling the HSU's.
I will be looking to unload the Velodyne if I do this, you are first in line.

 

[Sheep]

Velodynes FR's are -3dB in room measurements. The HSU is the tuning frequency.

SheepStar

 

[j_garcia]

The VTF 2 goes below 20 with some umph. That's 3 db down from 110db at 25 hz. Tom Nousaine (supposed to be a real authority in this field) got 93 db at 20hz in a huge room. http://www.hsuresearch.com/vtf2_soundvision.pdf

I replaced my VTF-2 with a PB-10, and I can tell you, the VTF-2 did not have the authority that the PB-10 did below 25Hz.

 

[MACCA350]

If you want Authority(and I mean shake the s**t out of your house authority), Detail(that makes your heart skip a beat and brings feeling and emotion to delicate music), and a virtually distortion free sub:

Here's what you do, go get a loan and get the Velodyne DD-15(or DD-18 if you want even more overkill ), I guarantee you will not get that upgrade bug for a sub if you own one of these. At 25% volume my neighbor's walls and windows shake like hell (some 4 houses up on the other side of the road complained also), I worked out with the neighbor's that they would accept 10%(which is a couple db above reference) before it becomes too much for them to handle . You will hear and feel detail down there that you never knew was there.

cheers

 

[Sheep]

If you want Authority(and I mean shake the s**t out of your house authority), Detail(that makes your heart skip a beat and brings feeling and emotion to delicate music), and a virtually distortion free sub:

Here's what you do, go get a loan and get the Velodyne DD-15(or DD-18 if you want even more overkill ), I guarantee you will not get that upgrade bug for a sub if you own one of these. At 25% volume my neighbor's walls and windows shake like hell (some 4 houses up on the other side of the road complained also), I worked out with the neighbor's that they would accept 10%(which is a couple db above reference) before it becomes too much for them to handle . You will hear and feel detail down there that you never knew was there.

cheers

And judging my his choices in his first post, a DD15 is pocket change...

SheepStar

 

[mfabien]

What are the dimensions of your room? Important to know.

I was planning to buy a PB10-ISD but I contacted Erik at svsubwoofers.com and provided my room dimensions and setup. He suggested that in my case the PB10 could be overwhelmed and recommended the PB12-ISD and suggested a couple of choices for placement. Why don't you e-mail Erik?

 

[Takeereasy]

I believe you J garcia, I'm not slamming the SVS, I just think that the potential problems and the added cost associated with shipping across the border make HSU a better and safer buy right now. He can get an STF-3 for the cost of the PB-10 after all is said and done and I'd personally rather have the 12" sub. He can also get local dealer support going HSU. I'm only giving my opinion, and if he goes SVS I don't think he'll be dissapointed at all. I have to admit to being a big believer in Murphy's law though, so dealer support is important to me on most things.

 

[JES14]

You all make some valid points, dealer support is always great when you need it. Of course a better product, SVS? for the money is great too. The DD-15 sounds like a helluva lot of fun, but I'll need a farmhouse miles from anyone for that.
I will have the chance to really put my system through a workout this weekend, little guy is going to Granny and Papa's. I am going to try a few MORE placements for the subs and see if I can improve the bottom end.
I would really like to try the SVS, but having to pay all the shipping here and back for 80 pounds or so would put a dent in the sub budget if I was unsatisfied.
I did e-mail SVS early Thursday and am waiting for a response, I asked about shipping costs. When they respond I will give them details about room size etc.
BTW, the room is 14' x 20', with an opening on one side of about 10', there are 3 windows, 2 fairly large at 2' x 4'. It's in the basement, concrete floor with a good underpad and berber carpet. Leather sectional and recliner.
Used about 70/30 ht/music. Budget $700-1000 CDN. being absolute max. We mainly watch action/war/sci-fi/western, yes I like big BOOMS (not boominess) and shootouts! I want something musical as well. I hear great things about the SUnfire JR. for HT, but hear it's a dog with music.