Usher S-520 or B&W 685?

J

JDawg

Junior Audioholic
I'm looking for a pair of good bookshelf speakers to use in my bedroom for music only. The Usher S-520 has really good reviews but I can't hear them for myself because none of the local stores have it. Another speaker I was considering is the B&W 685. I can get the gloss black Usher's shipped to me for $550 or I can get the B&W locally for $800 a pair. They both seem to be good speakers but which one would you guys recommend I get?
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
For use with, or without sub?

I can say that I wasn't very pleased with the 600 series speakers I listened to, but it may have been speaker placement or room (which had a HVAC unit humming the whole time:mad:).
 
J

JDawg

Junior Audioholic
I'll be using whatever speakers I get without a sub.

What was it that you didn't like about the 600 series speakers?
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Read the review on the Ushers. If you drive them too hard without a sub you can bottom the woofers. I own them and love them - they're wonderful speakers. But I wouldn't run them without a sub. I cross mine over at 80hz and that seems to work best.

2007 Shootout
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Read the review on the Ushers. If you drive them too hard without a sub you can bottom the woofers. I own them and love them - they're wonderful speakers. But I wouldn't run them without a sub. I cross mine over at 80hz and that seems to work best.

2007 Shootout
that isnt as common and has been corrected as far as I know
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/usher-s-520-review-addendum

With the 6 series speakers since 2002, Id go with the Ushers. B&W lost focus and production with this series hereinafter.

If your willing to spend 800 a pair, look at these
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I'll be using whatever speakers I get without a sub.

What was it that you didn't like about the 600 series speakers?
Well, like I said there was a constant hum from the HVAC (it must have been directly above the room with only a suspended ceiling and the roof between it and the room). So please take this with a grain of salt, but they did not have much "life". The music was there, but not exciting at all. I guess I would attribute this mainly to a subdued or veiled high end. Someone familiar with the speakers may be able to say if this is a reasonable observation. I heard other speakers (under better listening conditions) that were more engaging and didn't look back.

I listened to a few speakers at around $1000. Try the Paradigm Studio20 or the Totem Rainmaker. For "full" range bookshelfs, they were the best I heard. If you like the Paradigms, I have a boxed pair which are effectively new that I need to sell one of these days (I bought these because I liked their sound and wanted to have them at home and carry them to stores to do comparisons - I ended up deciding to move to Paradigm S-2's).
To my ear, The Totems had excellent sound with smaller ensembles like quartets, chamber, and acoustic music; but they lost ground to the Paradigms when things got really busy (full blown orchestral and big band, for example).
If you listen to new age, Diana Krall, and small jazz ensembles, get the Totems; they are beautifully balanced speakers for this type of "open" music!

HTH!

PS - I'll sell my Studio20's (version 5) to you for $825 shipped if you are interested. But don't buy them because of the price - listen to them first. The differences in speakers and how they sound to your ear is too important to buy something just because you get a good price.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61111&highlight=Paradigm
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
Thanks, as I didn't complete it. However noting that its not really at low levels as the speakers will hit over 88db safely and possibly into the 90's. And the conclusion is that the speaker still favorable reviewd. With the addition of a very small sub, ie the velodyne vms in the classified section, are quite capable and in the same price range as the B&Ws.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Thanks, as I didn't complete it. However noting that its not really at low levels as the speakers will hit over 88db safely and possibly into the 90's. And the conclusion is that the speaker still favorable reviewd. With the addition of a very small sub, ie the velodyne vms in the classified section, are quite capable and in the same price range as the B&Ws.
I agree they flat out kick butt with a small sub. I have no regrets buying mine. I found it amusing that in the Sierra-1 review they sort of nudged readers toward the S-520s.
 
J

JDawg

Junior Audioholic
Well, like I said there was a constant hum from the HVAC (it must have been directly above the room with only a suspended ceiling and the roof between it and the room). So please take this with a grain of salt, but they did not have much "life". The music was there, but not exciting at all. I guess I would attribute this mainly to a subdued or veiled high end. Someone familiar with the speakers may be able to say if this is a reasonable observation. I heard other speakers (under better listening conditions) that were more engaging and didn't look back.

I listened to a few speakers at around $1000. Try the Paradigm Studio20 or the Totem Rainmaker. For "full" range bookshelfs, they were the best I heard. If you like the Paradigms, I have a boxed pair which are effectively new that I need to sell one of these days (I bought these because I liked their sound and wanted to have them at home and carry them to stores to do comparisons - I ended up deciding to move to Paradigm S-2's).
To my ear, The Totems had excellent sound with smaller ensembles like quartets, chamber, and acoustic music; but they lost ground to the Paradigms when things got really busy (full blown orchestral and big band, for example).
If you listen to new age, Diana Krall, and small jazz ensembles, get the Totems; they are beautifully balanced speakers for this type of "open" music!

HTH!

PS - I'll sell my Studio20's (version 5) to you for $825 shipped if you are interested. But don't buy them because of the price - listen to them first. The differences in speakers and how they sound to your ear is too important to buy something just because you get a good price.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61111&highlight=Paradigm
I've considered getting the Paradigm Studio 20's because I have a pair of Studio 60's I use as part of my home theater and they sound really good for both movies and music. Even spending $800 for the B&W is getting close to the maximum I'm willing to spend. $825 for your Studio 20's sounds like a good deal but unfortunately I still need to save up for whatever speaker I decide to get now.

I'm leaning more towards the Usher S-520 because its a cheaper and I'll be using them in a small bedroom so I don't think the woofer bottoming out will be an issue for me.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
A nice cheap sub like a dayton-120 is worth it imo if you can somehow squeeze it into your budget, it'll definitely imo open up your options for speaker selection.

Those ushers are beautiful... if they sound half as great as they look they're a steal. On that note though, a couple others you still should IMO definitely look into are

Emotiva ERM6.3
Axiom M22
Aperion Intimus 6B
EMP E5Bi (don't be fooled by their "too low" price, these speakers mean business!)

My reccomendation though?

https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=35_40_402_408&products_id=8306
 
J

JDawg

Junior Audioholic
Well I decided to get the Usher S-520 and Canada Post finally delivered it yesterday but left it sitting outside by the front door!!!

I couldn't wait to hear how good these speakers sounded from all the positive reviews I've read. It actually sounds really good but I didn't experience any problems with the woofer bottoming out. I just can't see how that's possible because I cranked it up pretty loud with the bass on my preamp on the highest setting and the woofers hardly move. So I just don't see how the audioholics review about the woofer bottoming out can be a problem unless their test system puts out a lot more bass compared to my own setup.

Otherwise I think these are some great sounding speakers for the price and they look nice too. I don't know how to describe it but it sounds more clear and detailed compared to my old speakers I was using in my room. It does lack some bass though but I found that if I hooked up a portable cd player with bass boost they are capable of putting out decent amount of bass for a speaker this size.
 
E

enrique

Full Audioholic
Please keep us posted on the usher's, reason being i had posted a similar thread concerning the energy rc mini's or the cambridge audio s30's. The era d4's also are considered.I'm going to be using with a Teac ag-h550 w/o a sub in the bedroom as well.My understanding the era's go lower.
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Well I decided to get the Usher S-520 and Canada Post finally delivered it yesterday but left it sitting outside by the front door!!!

I couldn't wait to hear how good these speakers sounded from all the positive reviews I've read. It actually sounds really good but I didn't experience any problems with the woofer bottoming out. I just can't see how that's possible because I cranked it up pretty loud with the bass on my preamp on the highest setting and the woofers hardly move. So I just don't see how the audioholics review about the woofer bottoming out can be a problem unless their test system puts out a lot more bass compared to my own setup.

Otherwise I think these are some great sounding speakers for the price and they look nice too. I don't know how to describe it but it sounds more clear and detailed compared to my old speakers I was using in my room. It does lack some bass though but I found that if I hooked up a portable cd player with bass boost they are capable of putting out decent amount of bass for a speaker this size.
I love mine but did manage to bottom them once. Either that or I'm just paranoid and hearing things. Anyway I'd rather give you full disclosure than lead you down a garden path.
 
K

kwatch

Audiophyte
Reread the article. The fix didn't fix the issue. As long as you play them at low volume they work fine full range. Crank them up without a sub and you'll hear them bottom. Used with a sub they kick butt within their size limitations.
Should this be a deal breaker?
 
sholling

sholling

Audioholic Ninja
Should this be a deal breaker?
Not as long as you have a sub. I was pretty happy with my S-520s but eventually moved on to Sierra-1s. The Sierras play deeper but need a lot more power. The upgrade bug bites me waaaay too often.
 
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