US tax dollars to fund overseas abortions

billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I agree.

Just another stupid topic looking to see how many people can get banned when they get all worked up.

Oh, and go ahead and give me red chicklets. I love them. :D

(greenie given to Nomo to make up for the red)
Just look at the origin of who started the thread... nuff said!
PS: I already shot him a greenie earlier! Dave I hope you brought some warmer weather back form the Pacific NW. It looked as though central Florida had a run of some cool weather in recent days and I hope it warms up soon because we're headed to Orlando in 2 weeks.

Regards, Bill
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
Hi Jack, why not!

No matter what it'll still be better than Markham. :rolleyes: :p :D

Yes that's right, it's a hijack ... we're talking about the weather. :)
Your right about that... its being -10 or colder here for several weeks now! Usually when we booked our vaction I always follow the local weather patterns for our destination. It just so happens, this time around our vaction is not taking us as far south as in years past.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I generally stay away from the political threads. I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough on many the topics to participate much of the time.

Not that that's ever been a prerequisite.;)[emphasis added]

It figures I'd get a red in a thread such as this one. Oh well, I'm over it.
Knowledge isn't a prerequisite for replying to audio and video related posts, either, as is well evidenced by reading a few threads. Of course, there is a good deal of good information that people give at sites like this one, but there is also plenty of nonsense that is worse than nothing. The trick is, of course, in figuring out which is which. And for that, one must apply the same kinds of reasoning skills necessary for such determinations regarding what people say about other subjects. If one is bad at that, one will have a very hard time in life, getting fooled over and over again.

(In my opinion, this site is much better than most audio sites in its ratio of sense to nonsense, but, of course, one must judge such things for oneself. And it still has enough nonsense [I mean in the things random people post, not the articles that are written by the owners of this site] that one must still employ one's skills in distinguishing sense from nonsense.)
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
Hijacking is Good

Just look at the origin of who started the thread... nuff said!
PS: I already shot him a greenie earlier! Dave I hope you brought some warmer weather back form the Pacific NW. It looked as though central Florida had a run of some cool weather in recent days and I hope it warms up soon because we're headed to Orlando in 2 weeks.

Regards, Bill
It's 9 degrees here in the Cascades this morning. We had a couple inches of snow last night.

Do you want me to bring this back to Florida next week?:p
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I'm sure you know that there are too many holes in that argument to take it seriously.

I agree with you about BC and sex ed. Abstinence talk is just sticking one's head in the ground.
Yeah but it does excite emotions and make people freak out which in our Political system is more important than logic. In my mind it's illogical to shrink the baby population in view of the coming increase in an elderly slanted population. We need more work force to support the baby boomers and I think the economic impact of the shrinking work force will be very negative. Allowing the baby population to be artificially reduced is dangerous to economic sustainability because the baby boomer generation will need sufficient amounts of labor to support their continued existence. Some may argue there are benefits to shrinking populations this way, but I think the long term 30 year effect isn't good for the economy.
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
It's 9 degrees here in the Cascades this morning. We had a couple inches of snow last night.

Do you want me to bring this back to Florida next week?:p
Are you skiing? Or just huddling by the fire? :D
 
M

MatthewB.

Audioholic General
As I look at people around me daily, I think most of their parents should've exorcised their right to have an abortion.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Yeah but it does excite emotions and make people freak out which in our Political system is more important than logic. In my mind it's illogical to shrink the baby population in view of the coming increase in an elderly slanted population. We need more work force to support the baby boomers and I think the economic impact of the shrinking work force will be very negative. Allowing the baby population to be artificially reduced is dangerous to economic sustainability because the baby boomer generation will need sufficient amounts of labor to support their continued existence. Some may argue there are benefits to shrinking populations this way, but I think the long term 30 year effect isn't good for the economy.
There are huge benefits to decreasing the population, as there are finite resources, and the fewer people there are, the less people will have to do without. Also, the fewer people there are, the less pollution there will be. If, just as an arbitrary example, there were only 1 million people in the world, they could all drive gas guzzling, pollution creating SUVs with relative impunity, if they wanted. Of course, only 1 million people would create its own problems, but if we keep going at the rate we are (which, by the way, is increasing on a global scale), there will be massive starvation and wars over resources. That is a very ugly picture.

Simply put, even if we maintain the current population level, things will be ugly enough. I think 4 billion was plenty (and probably too much) for the world population, and having more is just making things worse.

As for population distribution, if a country is not producing enough people domestically, they can always allow people to immigrate in to take care of that. Naturally, the bigots don't tend to like foreigners, but that is a different problem from the population levels.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
As I look at people around me daily, I think most of their parents should've exorcised their right to have an abortion.
Indeed, many people are unfit parents, but that does not stop them from becoming parents. (I know, you are saying that the people are not good, and therefore it would have been better if they had been aborted. However, the way they turned out usually has something to do with parenting.)
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Hello all, I'd hate to see the baby get thrown out with the bath water on this one.
So, before this thread goes off the rails, with the highly emotional subject of pro/con abortion.

Let's instead ponder this: Why is a country that is, for the most part fiscally broke; sending money overseas for any reason?
Maybe we should get our own house in order first.
 
unreal.freak

unreal.freak

Senior Audioholic
Im against abortion as means of birth control. Im also against funding abortion with my tax dollars in the USA or anywhere else.

I think if someone needs an abortion for medical reasons that are life threatening it should be available to them.

I also think that if abortion is gonna be used as birth control, then after the first government funded abortion, the woman should be forced to use other means of birth control such as IUD, or tubal ligation.
 
M

MatthewB.

Audioholic General
I am one for abortion. I feel this planet is already filled with dimwits, pinheads and complete brain dead subhumans. I feel if one chooses to procreate, they should pass an intelligence test, finacial background and make parenting classes mandatory. It makes me ill, knowing that my tax dollars are going to support children and their parents who can't even take care of themselves. I feel if one is on any type of welfare, they should get free tubal ligation. Trust me having the government paying for an abortion is far cheaper than our tax dollars paying to support the child for the next 18 years. Granted this is within our boundaries and no money should be sent outside the country. Let their own country handle their overcrowding.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Hello all, I'd hate to see the baby get thrown out with the bath water on this one.
So, before this thread goes off the rails, with the highly emotional subject of pro/con abortion.

Let's instead ponder this: Why is a country that is, for the most part fiscally broke; sending money overseas for any reason?
Maybe we should get our own house in order first.
There is an old saying, that no man is an island. The same can be said of countries. What happens elsewhere affects the U.S. So sending money abroad can, if done properly, be very beneficial and cost effective for the interests of the U.S.

Also, the U.S. is rich, even though at the moment people may not feel that way. The U.S. can easily afford some money going abroad.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Hello all, I'd hate to see the baby get thrown out with the bath water on this one.
So, before this thread goes off the rails, with the highly emotional subject of pro/con abortion.

Let's instead ponder this: Why is a country that is, for the most part fiscally broke; sending money overseas for any reason?
Maybe we should get our own house in order first.
Rick. I don't know if you've had the privilege of visiting the places we send our money, but after seeing the mass poverty/devastation and hardships the western world has caused I can't support an isolationist attitude. Spending time with good kids that are starving to death and orphaned by AIDS changed my personal perspective greatly. After that experience I realized that we not only should help those in need, but we must. Even if it hurts us.

I think it can be a highly emotional subject, but here it would likely be objectified.

As far as population growth goes. The logistic growth will eventually curb our population. I don't see that happening for a while though. Since we are still on a concave up part of the curve. I also don't know if we really are exhausting our resources yet. Plus the cause of global warming is still highly disputed. And the availability of oil is also highly disputed.

I lean towards believing CO 2 emissions have effected mean global temperature, but the urban islanding effect I see as a far bigger problem. For example I live in the DFW area. And if I drive to a rural area directly south of my city. The temperature drops anywhere from 2 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit. One thing I propose is an increase in parks and trees in city areas. I also think we must intentionally break up population groups where we can.

The earth however will cool itself eventually because as the earth warms the atmospheres ability to hold water vapor increase. The increase in water vapor will cause a great amount of radiation to be reflected and in turn reduce the amount of surface heating. Of course there are other isssues with increase water vapor. flooding is a major concern and heat will be harder to loose. So the temperature will stabilize more.

I know i'm hijacking the thread. I was a meterology/geology/geography major at different points of my college careers so earthy science just sets me off like a kid in a candy store.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
There is an old saying, that no man is an island. The same can be said of countries. What happens elsewhere affects the U.S. So sending money abroad can, if done properly, be very beneficial and cost effective for the interests of the U.S.

Also, the U.S. is rich, even though at the moment people may not feel that way. The U.S. can easily afford some money going abroad.
Rick. I don't know if you've had the privilege of visiting the places we send our money, but after seeing the mass poverty/devastation and hardships the western world has caused I can't support an isolationist attitude.


I understand this thread is done. Have fun on vacation Dave!:D

I'll keep my response brief.
For those of you that have balanced a check book before, you'll know - Regardless of how worthy the cause, when you don't have the money, you just don't have the money.

I'd like to hope that in these 'extra special' times (regarding our economy); other countries will understand that the well may be a bit dry.

Implying I'm an isolationist is a little presumptuous.
I'm just someone that does not believe, all problems are solved by throwing money at them.
 
R

rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
For those of you that have balanced a check book before, you'll know - Regardless of how worthy the cause, when you don't have the money, you just don't have the money..
That's when you break out the credit card. You know, to buy that subwoofer we "need." :D
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
That's when you break out the credit card. You know, to buy that subwoofer we "need." :D
I still got caught.
My bride saw two identical charges for the Speaker Company book-shelves that had a $50 off coupon for Audioholic members.
She thought it was a mistake and stopped payment.
I couldn't help myself...they were on sale.:D
 

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