AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Umm Thats 7x100watts all channels driven full audio spectrum + its modular design allows you to upgrade/package the receiver to yoru needs. :rolleyes:

Well, here is the Denon AVR-4308CI, which is rated at 140W x 7ch:

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/avreceivers/208denon4308/index7.html

And YET, it was measured to be 150.3 watts with all seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads @1% distortion.:rolleyes:

The NAD 875 was rated @ 120W x 7ch, and it measured 121W x 7ch.

Looks like the Denon 4308 is MORE conservatively rated to me.:D

But that doesn't really matter.

If you like NAD, then buy NAD. Everyone knows NAD is great, just like everyone knows DENON/MARANTZ is great. It does not mean one is greater than the other.
 
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Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
The Denon was a last minute compromise, I decided to go with a lower end AVR instead of compromising on the speakers. I just feel that 1910 just doesn't have enough power to really for lack of a better term "open them up" so to speak.

Don't get wrong I'm not trying to reach 120dB :eek: just want to be sure I have enough headroom which I feel is lacking with the 1910.
Also one little note my wife notices when I move her knick-knacks 1/16th of an inch so a new set of speakers will not go unnoticed:D
 
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3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
NAD: - Not Always Dependable.
that was back afew years ago. Every manufacturer has thier acheles heel.. Look at Marantz SR6004 models, Onkyo and their heat issues with some of their models, even the venerable Yamaha with their Z7 is causing a stir. I'm sure Denon has had their shake at it tooo but I'm just to lazy too look. ;)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The Denon was a last minute compromise, I decided to go with a lower end AVR instead of compromising on the speakers. I just feel that 1910 just doesn't have enough power to really for lack of a better term "open them up" so to speak.

Don't get wrong I'm not trying to reach 120dB :eek: just want to be sure I have enough headroom which I feel is lacking with the 1910.
Also one little note my wife notices when I move her knick-knacks 1/16th of an inch so a new set of speakers will not go unnoticed:D
So what VOLUME do you use on your Denon receiver?

-20dB?

Unless the volume reads 0+ dB or higher, I don't see why you need more power or headroom.
 
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billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
The Denon was a last minute compromise, I decided to go with a lower end AVR instead of compromising on the speakers. I just feel that 1910 just doesn't have enough power to really for lack of a better term "open them up" so to speak.

Don't get wrong I'm not trying to reach 120dB :eek: just want to be sure I have enough headroom which I feel is lacking with the 1910.
Also one little note my wife notices when I move her knick-knacks 1/16th of an inch so a new set of speakers will not go unnoticed:D
I agree...yeah...right..:D. When I switched from an entry level receiver to a Denon 3805 it did offer me the added head room but I'd still try an rationalize with her to get another set of speakers.
 
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AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I...but I'd still try an rationalize with her to get another set of speakers.
I agee.

If the sound is "lacking", I say it is the speakers and/or speaker placement, not the "headroom".

Have you (Ares) played around with your speaker placement?

Do you (Ares) have your speakers a few feet off the front and side walls?

But I completely 100% understand your condition of UPGRADITIS!!! :D

And that NAD looks pretty fine to me.:D

So go ahead. You have our blessings. :D
 
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billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
I agee.

If the sound is "lacking", I say it is the speakers and/or speaker placement, not the "headroom".

Have you (Ares) played around with your speaker placement?

Do you (Ares) have your speakers a few feet off the front and side walls?
He wants to increase the sound for listening in other rooms...I believe...:)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
He wants to increase the sound for listening in other rooms...I beleive...:)
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that.:D

Short...term...memory...bad....:D

Well, then the question for Ares is:

when listening from the other rooms (kitchen, family room, etc.) how high is the volume cranked up?

-15dB?

-10dB?

0+ dB?

Well, when in doubt, get a receiver (with the pre-outs) or a pre-pro and get a 200WPC or 300WPC x 2ch external amp. Then you will never question the power or headroom again.
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
Sorry I step away to mess with my speakers for a minute:D When using music I get to 0+dB at that point the speakers can still go but the receiver doesn't have enough gas in the tank so I have to back it down to -10dB to be safe, speakers are 3ft off the front wall and a foot off the sidewall length of the room is 2.5x the size of the width.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
...When using music I get to 0+dB...
Yikes.:eek:

That is some LOUD music.

In that case, I don't think a 100WPC or 120WPC NAD or any receiver will do.

You getter get a 300WPC amp like the ATI AT3002:

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1284742557

The asking price is $1400, but you can make an offer for $1,200 + shipping.

This is basically a new amp w/ 7 yrs full warranty from ATI (Classic Audio Parts is an ATI authorized dealer).

This thing can do 300WPC x 2 ch into 8ohms and 600WPC x 2 into 4 ohms.

And get a receiver with pre-outs or a pre-pro.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Sorry I step away to mess with my speakers for a minute:D When using music I get to 0+dB at that point the speakers can still go but the receiver doesn't have enough gas in the tank so I have to back it down to -10dB to be safe, speakers are 3ft off the front wall and a foot off the sidewall length of the room is 2.5x the size of the width.
So now we are getting to the root cause of your problem. Up straight it inappropriate use and abuse of equipment.

Using a system turned up loud to provide whole house audio is not a viable solution.

You need speakers in those spaces or separate audio systems if you want sound in more than one room. Here is why.

At zero db any input at the specified input voltage will produce the maximum power available from that amp into the load. There will be no headroom.

Digital inputs are all pretty standard. So playing a CD at zero db will clip any device.

You need a minimum of 10 db headroom and really more for classical music.

To do what you are trying to do would require amps 10 times more powerful than what you have now, and expensive high powered speakers to match.

Putting that much power into speakers designed for domestic use will destroy them. The voice coils will frequently exceed their thermal limits as well as suffer severe thermal compression. The mechanical limits of the drivers will also be exceeded.

My rig is loud at -18 db. Occasionally I may push it to -12 db but not for long.

Given the dynamic range of the music I listen to, even at those settings requires 2 kW of audio power and half of the 14 amps are directly connected to the drivers so I'm not wasting half the power of those amps in a passive crossover.

Bottom line: - if you want to listen in other rooms of your house, then your upgrade is audio engineering specifically for those rooms, not more power in your existing room.

If you don't heed my advice you will destroy a lot of good equipment.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
My rig is loud at -18 db. Occasionally I may push it to -12 db but not for long.
I get about 85 - 90 dB @ -20dB volume level. That is as high as I'm willing to go.:D

Most of the time, I'm @ -22dB volume level.:D

I cannot imagine the volume @ 0+ level!!!:eek:
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
At 0dB it's not loud at all and reading what has been said here I think I may have a larger issue at hand here if you guy's are around -20dB and it sounds extremely loud to you. I will have to take a reading here with the SPL and see what's up.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
At 0dB it's not loud at all and reading what has been said here I think I may have a larger issue at hand here if you guy's are around -20dB and it sounds extremely loud to you. I will have to take a reading here with the SPL and see what's up.
Wow.

I have an old Pioneer receiver (90WPC) with my Infinity P362s in my family room, which is bigger than my HT room, and it is LOUD at -30dB!!!

And since it's in the family room, my wife won't even let me crank it above -40dB!!!:eek:

Yeah, if you are at +0dB and it's not even loud, something is seriously wrong.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
So now we are getting to the root cause of your problem. Up straight it inappropriate use and abuse of equipment.

Using a system turned up loud to provide whole house audio is not a viable solution.

You need speakers in those spaces or separate audio systems if you want sound in more than one room. Here is why.

/QUOTE]

I already eluded to this in previous post but no one caught on. ;)
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
At 0dB it's not loud at all and reading what has been said here I think I may have a larger issue at hand here if you guy's are around -20dB and it sounds extremely loud to you. I will have to take a reading here with the SPL and see what's up.
Its best that you take an SPL reading. I can crank my HT into the 90db but thats way WAY to loud for me. Even the high 80s are too loud for me as I'm scared of premature hearing loss.
 
Ares

Ares

Audioholic Samurai
I took a reading and this is what I got at +0dB with music playing 75dB, compared to what you get AcuDef at -20 something is way wrong here.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I took a reading and this is what I got at +0dB with music playing 75dB, compared to what you get AcuDef at -20 something is way wrong here.
Play a CD and go pure direct mode in teh Denon by passing all of the DSP crap just to see what your out puts is. (don't know what its called on the Denon). Also, how far away where you from the speakers when you took the reading? What kind of meter are you using and how do you have it configured? Sorry for all of the questions but we need more info.
 

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