Upgrading 'incompatible' Windows 10 PC to Windows 11 - anyone done it?

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Hobbit

Audioholic Chief
I'm definitely not an expert on this. However, I've found in the past when I've upgraded/updated a program that I hadn't in a long time for whatever reason and/or turned on auto updates, for a short time thereafter I would be getting frequent updates. My assumption has always been that there's a sequence of events that needs to happen. Meaning that you're in catchup mode for a while.

You piqued my curiosity with this. My old inexpensive acer convertible windows tablet upgraded to 11 and my newer powerful desktop didn't. Which option did you use? I checked and I could do option 1 if I decide to give it a shot. Did you have to reload all your apps?
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
I'm still getting regular updates for my Windows 10 Pro machines.

But since my PC's are over 11 years old I'm building new ones before Windows 10 EOL in October 25th. I'm rebuild one now as soon as I get the last components I've ordered while the other one later on.
 
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trochetier

Full Audioholic
I'm definitely not an expert on this. However, I've found in the past when I've upgraded/updated a program that I hadn't in a long time for whatever reason and/or turned on auto updates, for a short time thereafter I would be getting frequent updates. My assumption has always been that there's a sequence of events that needs to happen. Meaning that you're in catchup mode for a while.

You piqued my curiosity with this. My old inexpensive acer convertible windows tablet upgraded to 11 and my newer powerful desktop didn't. Which option did you use? I checked and I could do option 1 if I decide to give it a shot. Did you have to reload all your apps?
I haven't done the upgrade yet. Just researching and collecting experience info from more experienced tinkerers. I am using a Surface Pro from 2013 with Intel i5 core.

I changed the Policies in my computer so that it notifies me every time there is any kind of update to install, I can chose when I do it. I didn't like the auto update in the background as it will slow down the computer for system or large updates and I will be wondering why.
 
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Hobbit

Audioholic Chief
I haven't done the upgrade yet. Just researching and collecting experience info from more experienced tinkerers. I am using a Surface Pro from 2013 with Intel i5 core.

I changed the Policies in my computer so that it notifies me every time there is any kind of update to install, I can chose when I do it. I didn't like the auto update in the background as it will slow down the computer for system or large updates and I will be wondering why.
Keep us posted if you decide to go through with it. I may do some research and see what others results are with this method.
 
-Jim-

-Jim-

Audioholic Field Marshall
Gents, you have hit on a second passion of mine. Building and repairing Computers for close Friends and Family. A lot of them have this same dilemma, as their Windows 10 PCs are timing out and they don't know what to do; especially as they can't afford to dump their perfectly working PC for a new one.

@Hobbit said "My old inexpensive acer convertible windows tablet upgraded to 11 and my newer powerful desktop didn't.". Possibly this is because Secure Boot is not enabled, and /or TPM 2.0 isn't enabled in UEFI (Bios). That of course assumes the PC meets the other requirements set out my Microsoft for Windows 11 (CPUs, 64 Bit, RAM, and Hard Drive Space as I remember.)

It's not really hard to reimage a non compliant PC using Windows 11 downloaded from Microsoft, and tweaked by using Rufus to create a Bootable USB Stick. You also should export the present Windows 10 drivers to a file before reimaging.

My research shows that Windows 10 Drivers should work fine in almost all cases on Windows 11. Or at least allow Windows Update to detect the Device and download a more recent driver for it. I found an easy way to export the drivers using a Command Line instruction as an Admin.

dism /online /export-driver /destination:"full path of folder"

"full path of folder" is where you want to copy the drivers to. Pay close attention to the instruction. Even adding a space will cause it not to run.

I tested it on this Box, as long as I remembered to put the destination path in quotes (of course I didn’t do that first time) - just replacing the quoted verbiage above works like a charm. I did it again on my Mom’s 9 year old Asus GL552V Laptop before I moved it to Windows 11.

I'm a fan of reimaging these old PCs rather than trying to upgrade them, as most users will benefit from a clean install, but I do see situations where migrating from Windows 10 to 11 could be beneficial. But that's a much more complicated process, not impossible, but requires a different procedure during the install process.

I'm currently looking to build a simplified image but just haven't got there yet.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
@-Jim- The main point for me, personally, is getting security updates for my 11+ years old Windows 10 PC, though there are many with much newer and very capable hardware not allowed to officially update to Windows 11. Since I won't get it along with old hardware I'll assembly new PCs that hopefully will last a long time.

I certainly understand the frustration of owners of much more recent and very capable hardware.
 
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Teetertotter?

Teetertotter?

Audioholic Chief
Look on You Tube to update to WIN 11, for older computer w/o the required firmware. I have 2 newer laptops with, WIN 11. My 2 older laptops are in storage.
 
-Jim-

-Jim-

Audioholic Field Marshall
@-Jim- The main point for me, personally, is getting security updates on my 11+ years old hardware for Windows 10, though there are many with much newer and very capable hardware not allowed to officially update to Windows 11. Since I won't get it along with old hardware I'll assembly new PCs.

I certainly understand the frustration of owners of much more recent and very capable hardware.
You will still get the Security Updates. I've tested that too on a couple of Boxes.

Of course there comes a time when folks should retire their gear and move on. I've been doing this Hobby for decades, and consider most laptops become unreliable at about 5 years if used daily. IMHO their typical design life is 3-5 years. Rotating Hard Drives should be replaced with SSDs by this time if you are trying to extend the life of a Box of this vintage.

Data loss is what really hurts, especially when it's photos, or documents, that haven't been backed up.

I build Gamer Boxes for my son, and until just recently for 2 of my nephews. (One is now a Software Engineer for Electronic Arts while his brother does Web Page Design and support after getting his degree. They build their own boxes now, but consult with me on the Hardware.) Typically these Gamer Boxes last 5 years with a mid-life refit to a current Graphics Card. I moved all the Boxes I build to Windows 11 a couple years ago. One of the retired Gamer Boxes (my son's last one) was on Windows 10 but met the specifications for Windows 11 but we didn't have Secure Boot or TPM enabled, so Windows update indicated it didn't meet spec. I recently tweaked those and installed Windows 11 on it . It's probably going to become my wife's Desk PC (she also has a Laptop & and iPad) as her present Motherboard & CPU don't meet spec. Besides the CPU, Ram, and M2. Nvme SSD are all much more capable on the retired Gamer Box. Never mind the GPU that I installed in it.

Personally I just built myself a new Box last year which is far more capable than I need these days; retiring a 7 or 8 year old Box that was still going strong.

Some folks are going to upgrade (before October 14, 2025) from Windows 10 Home or Pro to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 which has a 10 year support life => far beyond any reasonable retirement age for the Hardware. That way they can avoid the migration & re-learning issues on Windows 11. It also doesn't have all the Bloat of Windows 11, and for most folks it will be fine. I'm thinking of experimenting with it just for Grins for those who are resistive to moving.

I've already done a clean install of Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 on the 9 year old Asus GL552V Laptop I mentioned above & and it works flawlessly so far. It also doesn't have all the Bloat of Windows 11 but retains it's current look and feel.

As you can see I'm mucking about on my own gear (I got my Mom into a new LG Laptop some time ago and it was upgradable to Windows 11) to ensure I have good solutions for my Friends and Family before the end of support for Windows 10 in October.

I lent an old Acer Laptop to my other son years ago, and then gave him a decent Dell Laptop to replace it. Both are going to need my attention as they are Windows 10 boxes. The Acer is so ancient it's got a 4x3 screen! My plan is to play with it with the images I've mentioned above, or even install ChromeOS Flex, just to see how it goes before sending it to the recycler. I'm still chewing on what to do with the Dell (He just bough a new iMac).

I know other cyber buddies who are moving their older Windows based Boxes to Linux. I've gotten a Chromebook which has become my traveling PC as all I do is web based stuff and play a few Tunes / Videos on it. I've experimented with putting a couple of Linux Apps on it as well.

So there's lots of options for these older Boxes to have fun with.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
You will still get the Security Updates. I've tested that too on a couple of Boxes.
The EOL of Windows 10 is October 25 so updates until then, but after that none, though it's uncertain if that includes virus definition updates to Defender as well.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
Of course there comes a time when folks should retire their gear and move on. I've been doing this Hobby for decades, and consider most laptops become unreliable at about 5 years if used daily. IMHO their typical design life is 3-5 years. Rotating Hard Drives should be replaced with SSDs by this time if you are trying to extend the life of a Box of this vintage.
Add to above post is that I went all SSD in 2013 and never looked back. None of the SSD's have failed with one in use for 10 years and the other is still running. My "personal" PC have two Samsung 850 Evo that I bought a number of years ago as they were bigger than the old one.

SSD was much more reliable for me than HDD over many years.
 
-Jim-

-Jim-

Audioholic Field Marshall
My experience with SSDs has been similar. Of all of the SSDs I've installed, only one - an early 128 Gig - has failed. I keep waiting but all the rest are still chugging along.
 
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trochetier

Full Audioholic
You will still get the Security Updates. I've tested that too on a couple of Boxes.

.....Some folks are going to upgrade (before October 14, 2025) from Windows 10 Home or Pro to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 which has a 10 year support life => far beyond any reasonable retirement age for the Hardware. That way they can avoid the migration & re-learning issues on Windows 11. It also doesn't have all the Bloat of Windows 11, and for most folks it will be fine. I'm thinking of experimenting with it just for Grins for those who are resistive to moving.
Upgrading to Win 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 sounds more palatable to me over upgrading to Win 11. I did a quick research looks like with two Registry edits the upgrade is relatively easy. Only thing I cannot find - how/where to buy the Product Key and price. Suggestions?
 
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