Updating HT speakers over time... have Pioneer Andrew Jones now...

The Dali

The Dali

Audioholic
Hi everyone, I've been doing a TON of reading here, on other sites, and Reddit about speaker options. I recently moved and have been re-building my home theater area in the basement (had to create the basement space first!). With that new space came a ton of limitations (size, spacing, etc) and at first I just threw everything together to get it set up... it sounded terrible. I was using the parts of my existing HT from my old house that had a solid HT room (standard rectangular room, finished walls and ceilings, wiring in the walls, etc). As stated, when I put everything together in the new house (it is an OLD house with an odd layout in the basement, and LOTS of hard surfaces due to the limitations of a 1950s home) it sounded horrible. I didn't think much of it but then recently we started to use the room more often and I noticed it was very bad, which is largely from my set-up (or lack).

Fast forward, we added some furniture to the area and I noticed that there was ZERO bass. I investigated and found out that the sub-out on my Yamaha AVR was not working. I created a thread here to diagnose the issue: Sub out not working - help!

ANYWAY - the point of this thread is to mention that with all the above (odd room, not setting up the HT correctly, the Sub-out not working) it actually got me interested in HT again!


So I've been reading and researching about how to best set this room up, reviewing equipment, etc... My currently set-up is:

Andrew Jones 5 speaker system (gen 1)
Velodyne 12' sub
TCL 65-inch 4k TV
Yamaha RX-v685 AVR

I bought the AJ system a long time ago and its been fine, but I really didn't look in to upgrading it as it sounded fine and I had younger kids... etc... but now in a place where I can try to update the hardware and speakers. I am rolling with the Yammy AVR for a while, even though the sub-out isn't working (I'm using the pre-outs). I am adding Atmos speakers since I am going to re-wire everything, get placements correct and set up the speakers with the Yamaha AVR microphone.

What I'd like to do is start looking around at options for the LCR speakers. I initially was just going to go with a Klipsch RP series LCR, which is still on the table, but given all the hard surfaces I have to deal with maybe I need to look at softer/warmer sounding speakers. PLUS, it feels like everyone online has those copper woofers and I like to be a little different if I can. With my reading I am finding that the Center Channel for the AJ series was the weak link - and I AGREE. (That's what got me doign the research in the first place, the dialogue is almost not audiable/woofy and both my wife and I agree it was very hard to hear). So I started changing placement of the CC to get better dialogue, which worked a bit (took out of the cabinet and put on the top of the cabinet) but that started me thinking about upgrading the CC first and then adding the rest. I want to get a listing of decent options so I can be aware of them when I see sales or crazy good deals online.

The initial list is:
- Klipsch (as mentioned)
- ELAC (although AJ is the designer, which is fine but may be too similar?)
- KEF
- Wharfedale

But, are they other gems that I should look at in the $300 - $600 range (on sale or used) for the CC? I will want to match the speakers eventially, but I'll start with the CC and then add the LR. I want to get into higher quality speakers but not super-expensive (thinking $500 per speaker)

Sorry for the long post - hope it made sense!
 
The Dali

The Dali

Audioholic
I'll see if I can get some pictures together of the space for reference.

It is concrete walls and bricks walls, with an alcove between two brick walls for the TV and speakers. About 7 feet across by 15 feet deep. Small little space. It opens up on the right side (facing TV) for another 10x20 and then a wall and door. Ceiling is low (about 7 feet) and has exposed rafters with no insulation, so the Atmos install is pretty easy.
 
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Teetertotter?

Teetertotter?

Audioholic Chief
If you intend to use the same space for your equipment, for speakers, I prefer Klipsch distinct sound speakers, as I am a MOVIE buff. I listen to some mp3 music with my fronts, and they do perform. Klipsch speakers often go on sale with Crutchfield, for example. My HT basement open air room is 8 X 12 with TV viewing and sound listening, 6 feet away. Try and keep the speaker mains and center channel tweeters at ear level.

Being on a piece meal buying schedule, and looking for a good center channel, you might want to match the mains from the same manufacture. Allow at least 6-8" below the TV, depending on what CC you choose.
Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-500C II (Walnut) Center channel speaker at Crutchfield
Klipsch Reference Premiere RP-500C (Ebony) Center channel speaker at Crutchfield

Good luck in your decision making process and enjoy. My signature is below, for my makeup.
 
The Dali

The Dali

Audioholic
Thanks for the information. Yes the place is a mess as I begin working on the set-up and re-wiring. I should receive the TV stand and speaker brackets today so I'll start working through that this weekend!

The Klipsch are option #1 as they are easily to obtain, not super expensive, and get standout reviews (the RP series) but I want to keep my mind open to other brands in the general price range ($400 - 600 for LR and another $300 - $500 for C)
 
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Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
A 3-way center speaker works best, so I would lean towards KEF as the middle speaker in their center is a concentric mid/tweeter. KEF generally produces good dialogue. If you can't afford KEF towers to go with their center, you can consider book shelves with a subwoofer or I would look at the RBH 85-i reviewed here. They are currently on sale for $1,075 and have very good bass for their size and price. Unfortunately I don't think RBH has a center in your price range as most of their speakers are higher end. KEF and Klipsch have a full range available though. Elac does make some good speakers too. Given the size of the room, I don't think you need towers though. Bookshelves and one or two woofers would be plenty at that seating distance.
 
K

kini

Full Audioholic
I don't think you would want Klipsch speakers with all those hard reflective surfaces. Kef for the front 3 would be my recommendation.
 
The Dali

The Dali

Audioholic
Thanks! I've been looking at the KEF now... the Q150 for LR and the Q250C for the center.
 
-Jim-

-Jim-

Audioholic Field Marshall
@The Dali Looking at the geography available, I'd be very tempted to try forgoing a Center and use a pair of the Q150 KEFs (or HSU CCB-8s) and a Phantom Center. If you find that lacking, then add another Q150 (or HSU CCB-8s) on it's side instead of a Q250C for the center. As they are all coaxial their orientation doesn't materially affect the sound.

The real estate limitations are going to make surrounds and Atmos positioning challenging as well.

Have Fun pulling it together, and enjoy it.
 
The Dali

The Dali

Audioholic
Yeah the positioning of surrounds is tough. The atmos speakers will be easy in the rafters and I can position them directed at the listening area. But the surrounds are gonna have to be slightly above ear level and a little closer than I’d like.
 
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