Understanding the Differences between HDMI Versions

TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I'm still waiting for glass fiber optic cables between all devices. How long has the communication industry been using them,...over 20 years...come on, lose the copper. You will never ever fill the bandwidth of a fiber cable to show a picture no matter how high the resolution ever gets. No further upgrades needed in hardware anyway, just protocols for the manufacturers. The cables are also cheap now. They do need a better consumer connector to hide the end so we don't get our grubby hands on them until it's plugged in, but that's it. You say oh, the transmitters and receivers are expensive, well maybe not if millions are made. It will happen sooner or later, as a matter of fact Theta digital did use them in the 80's for a while.
I have been advocating this for years.

Fiber would have a longer distance between units, and would stop ground loops dead in their tracks.

The only downside, is no control voltage, but you could use a light code instead.

Of course HDMI is a two way communication, but so is a telephone. It would mean receiver and transmitter both ends of the cable which would incur a little more expense.

I think this would make receivers and the rest of the chain more reliable. The HDMI connector as it is, is a real mess. So if it increased price, which I think it would, I would still be in favor of going in that direction.
 
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Trey

Audiophyte
Hi,

I am upgrading my 7 yr old 1080P TV to a 4K HDR TV. I am running my 1.4 HDMI cables through a wall plate which was also labelled as HDMI 1.4. I will be playing 4K games on my X box One along with watching 4K content so I am planning on upgrading to the highspeed HDMI cables. My question is do I need to also upgrade the HDMI connector in my wall plate?
 
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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
Hi,

I am upgrading my 7 yr old 1080P TV to a 4K HDR TV. I am running my 1.4 HDMI cables through a wall plate which was also labelled as HDMI 1.4. I will be playing 4K games on my X box One along with watching 4K content so I am planning on upgrading to the highspeed HDMI cables. My question is do I need to also upgrade the HDMI connector in my wall plate?
I get confused with cable specs. From what I understand there is no such thing as a 1.4 or 2.0 hdmi cable. Only with or without Ethernet. I do get confused when manufactures label cables as high speed, I thought they were all the same. An hdmi cable bought almost 10 years ago and I don't seem to have any issues, am I missing something?
 
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Trey

Audiophyte
I get confused with cable specs. From what I understand there is no such thing as a 1.4 or 2.0 hdmi cable. Only with or without Ethernet. I do get confused when manufactures label cables as high speed, I thought they were all the same. An hdmi cable bought almost 10 years ago and I don't seem to have any issues, am I missing something?
There is a difference between High Speed and Standard cables. Standard HDMI cables (most 1.4 HDMI cables are standard) can only support up to 4K@30hz. High Speed cables (most HDMI 2.0 are highspeed) can support higher bandwidth for 4K@ 60hz. If you are watching TV then standard is fine because it's only 24 fps but if you are gaming you want the 60hz. I'm not sure if the connectors themselves makes a difference or is it only in how the cable is designed (lower gauge?).
 
Bucknekked

Bucknekked

Audioholic Samurai
I get confused with cable specs. From what I understand there is no such thing as a 1.4 or 2.0 hdmi cable. Only with or without Ethernet. I do get confused when manufactures label cables as high speed, I thought they were all the same. An hdmi cable bought almost 10 years ago and I don't seem to have any issues, am I missing something?
HDMI cables are an area where sellers profit and new owners of HDMI products often fall victim to upselling.
I have a number of 10 year old HDMI cables that work just fine. The upsell by a vendor is of course, "you just bought that new TV, it would be a shame to use that nasty old slow cable with it. Here's a new "high speed" cable for an extra $100 bucks." Shame works.

Direct from the Blue Jeans HDMI cable explanation:
Data Rate
Many cables will tell You the amount of data they are capable of pushing through. These will be either 4.95gbps, 10.2gbps or 18gbps. These will often determine the speed of the cable with 4.95gbps pushing 720p, 10.2gbps pushing 1080p and 18gbps pushing 4k. 10.2gbps is also capable of pushing through 4k, but only at 30hz.

(End of quote from Blue Jeans)

These numbers are also misleading a bit because the the cables are made up of (4) pairs of twisted pair wires. 1 pair carries clock signals. The other 3 pairs carry color signals and sync signals. The rating of 10.2 gbps is misleading because nothing within the cable moves at that speed. It is merely the sum of the individual twisted pair. They do it that way since it comes up with a bigger number ! The individual pairs don't do much over 2.97gbps. But salesman will take advantage of "bigger numbers" whether or not they do the same thing or not.

Length also matters as do the gauge of the wires within the cable. A skinny but really long Wal-mart special might reach across the room but not carry a full load. A short fat cable of the same vintage and rating may carry the entire rating of the cable. Its all 1's and 0's to be sure, but signals do degrade over a length of wire so there are possibilities for problems. Many 'standard' cables will carry a load up to 45 feet of length and 'high speed' cables up to 25 feet of length. Will they work at longer distances : yes.

You mentioned "with or without ethernet" as a potential issue. At HDMI 1.4 the OPTIONAL feature of ethernet came in to the picture. It did not change the cabling pattern or construction. It introduced the optional feature of assigning one of the existing pairs of wire an additional task. It is either implemented or not in your attached equipment over the very same cable. No cable changes. This would be the infamous "Audio Return Channel (or ARC)" feature of HDMI. A true pain in the ass for many HDMI users.

I have rambled on far too long, but there is a fair amount of confusion around cables. Vendors love that. It gives them a chance to explain away the confusion and that explanation almost always results in the sale of a new cable.
 
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