U.S. Abandons Eastern European Missle Shield

[rnatalli]

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLH51098820090917

Here's my take on this. The Iranian deadline is at the end of the month. Israel is threatening to attack by end-of-year. The Iranian economy is struggling right now. Russia will announce they will support harsh sanctions against Iran in a week or two. Sanctions will cripple Iran's economy forcing them to abandon nuclear work to appease the international community thereby removing the threat of a nuclear missile launch and removing the need for the U.S. and/or Israel to take military action. U.S. will build the missile shield elsewhere still capable of shooting down any missiles Iran launches anyways.

 

[lsiberian]

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLH51098820090917

Here's my take on this. The Iranian deadline is at the end of the month. Israel is threatening to attack by end-of-year. The Iranian economy is struggling right now. Russia will announce they will support harsh sanctions against Iran in a week or two. Sanctions will cripple Iran's economy forcing them to abandon nuclear work to appease the international community thereby removing the threat of a nuclear missile launch and removing the need for the U.S. and/or Israel to take military action. U.S. will build the missile shield elsewhere still capable of shooting down any missiles Iran launches anyways.

All this kind of news is just public grandstanding. They already have the technology to take missiles out of the sky from pretty much anywhere. Problem is Russia has too many missiles to shoot them all down anyway.

Iran is a Russian ally I'd be shocked if they turned on them.

 

[Jeepers]

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSLH51098820090917

Here's my take on this. The Iranian deadline is at the end of the month. Israel is threatening to attack by end-of-year. The Iranian economy is struggling right now. Russia will announce they will support harsh sanctions against Iran in a week or two. Sanctions will cripple Iran's economy forcing them to abandon nuclear work to appease the international community thereby removing the threat of a nuclear missile launch and removing the need for the U.S. and/or Israel to take military action. U.S. will build the missile shield elsewhere still capable of shooting down any missiles Iran launches anyways.

Interesting and refreshing thought if any country in the world that feels threatened attacks the 'threatening' country. The world will really be a safe place. Of course in case Israel would attack Iran, the US, as usual, will support their best friends. It seems that the world has already forgotten or don't want to think about Dimona.

 

[lsiberian]

Interesting and refreshing thought if any country in the world that feels threatened attacks the 'threatening' country. The world will really be a safe place. Of course in case Israel would attack Iran, the US, as usual, will support their best friends. It seems that the world has already forgotten or don't want to think about Dimona.

I think protecting them is warranted. They are one of our main allies in the middle east. Iran is a trouble making state. I don't think war is a solution though. Israel wouldn't fight a prolonged one anyway. They'd just take out the facilities. I wish we had done a similar tactic with Iraq, but I guess the country is stabilizing some.

 

[Jeepers]

I think protecting them is warranted. They are one of our main allies in the middle east. Iran is a trouble making state. I don't think war is a solution though. Israel wouldn't fight a prolonged one anyway. They'd just take out the facilities. I wish we had done a similar tactic with Iraq, but I guess the country is stabilizing some.

I am not denying that Iran's president is a trouble maker however why should Israel have the moral right to take out Iran's facilities ? How about if Iran would take out Dimona ? We all know this won't happen because Iran isn't capable doing this but if Iran were capable, Israel would probably sing another tune. Don't get me wrong; I am not anti-Israel (or anti US for that matter) but the constant humiliation of Palestinians and the occupation of Arab land (Palestine, Golan Heights and for some hardliners East Jerusalem) should stop and you don't need a road map for this.

 

[lsiberian]

I am not denying that Iran's president is a trouble maker however why should Israel have the moral right to take out Iran's facilities ? How about if Iran would take out Dimona ? We all know this won't happen because Iran isn't capable doing this but if Iran were capable, Israel would probably sing another tune. Don't get me wrong; I am not anti-Israel (or anti US for that matter) but the constant humiliation of Palestinians and the occupation of Arab land (Palestine, Golan Heights and for some hardliners East Jerusalem) should stop and you don't need a road map for this.

This is an ancient conflict that predates the US and the rise of Europe. They are brothers that literally hate each other's guts. It's sad to see that. Palestinians see the and as their right. Israelis have the same view. Both are willing to fight for the land but hold back due to international pressure.

Israel hasn't called for annihilation of the Persians or denied the holocaust either. If someone said that crap about the US we would have conquered them already.

 

[jinjuku]

I am not denying that Iran's president is a trouble maker however why should Israel have the moral right to take out Iran's facilities ? How about if Iran would take out Dimona ? We all know this won't happen because Iran isn't capable doing this but if Iran were capable, Israel would probably sing another tune. Don't get me wrong; I am not anti-Israel (or anti US for that matter) but the constant humiliation of Palestinians and the occupation of Arab land (Palestine, Golan Heights and for some hardliners East Jerusalem) should stop and you don't need a road map for this.

I would say the fact the Iranian leadership publicly states that they want to wipe Israel of the face of the earth would give Israel a moral OBLIGATION to take such threats seriously.

 

[Jeepers]

This is an ancient conflict that predates the US and the rise of Europe. They are brothers that literally hate each other's guts. It's sad to see that. Palestinians see the and as their right. Israelis have the same view. Both are willing to fight for the land but hold back due to international pressure.

Israel hasn't called for annihilation of the Persians or denied the holocaust either. If someone said that crap about the US we would have conquered them already.

I agree with you on your first paragraph however the real problems between the 2 sides started in 1948 with a climax in 1967 (ignoring 1973).

And yes Israel hasn't called for annihilation of any country or region but they use a more subtle way, they keep on expanding their settlements and the ultimate result is the same.

About conquering; didn't Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California once belong to Mexico ?

 

[mtrycrafts]

I would say the fact the Iranian leadership publicly states that they want to wipe Israel of the face of the earth would give Israel a moral OBLIGATION to take such threats seriously.

Yes, but didn't one guy in the Kremlin pounded the podium at the UN with his shoes proclaiming he will bury the US??? Maybe we should have launched

 

[mtrycrafts]

I agree with you on your first paragraph however the real problems between the 2 sides started in 1948 with a climax in 1967 (ignoring 1973).

And yes Israel hasn't called for annihilation of any country or region but they use a more subtle way, they keep on expanding their settlements and the ultimate result is the same.

About conquering; didn't Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California once belong to Mexico ?

Didn't the US as we know it once belonged to the natives? Most of history is about this sort of activity, no?

 

[tcarcio]

All this kind of news is just public grandstanding. They already have the technology to take missiles out of the sky from pretty much anywhere. Problem is Russia has too many missiles to shoot them all down anyway.

Iran is a Russian ally I'd be shocked if they turned on them.

But the quicker you can take a missile out the better. It is much easier and more accurate. I really think this is just Obama caving to Russia. If Russia put's the clamps on Iran then it is a good move but I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[highfigh]

I think protecting them is warranted. They are one of our main allies in the middle east. Iran is a trouble making state. I don't think war is a solution though. Israel wouldn't fight a prolonged one anyway. They'd just take out the facilities. I wish we had done a similar tactic with Iraq, but I guess the country is stabilizing some.

Re: Iraq- you mean you wish we had taken out their infrastructure? That's always the first thing we do when we go into a country. Did it in Gulf War I and in '03. If they can't see us on radar and talk to each other, they're obviously at a huge disadvantage.

We can't forget about Syria being on Iran's side, either.

 

[Jeepers]

Didn't the US as we know it once belonged to the natives? Most of history is about this sort of activity, no?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[highfigh]

About conquering; didn't Florida, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California once belong to Mexico ?

Before the Spaniards came and conquered the native people?

Remember, Mexico attacked and killed many Americans on our soil. Now, they're attacking us in some different ways, although the killing still happens, just not Mexican military personnel, as far as we know.

 

[highfigh]

Yes, but didn't one guy in the Kremlin pounded the podium at the UN with his shoes proclaiming he will bury the US??? Maybe we should have launched

You mean Nikita Khruschev? He did that at the UN. You can't attack someone for that- it was only him being a loud asshat. He blinked during the Bay of Pigs incident and wasn't as much of a threat after that. He knew it and we knew it.

I never liked the duck and cover drills, personally.

 

[rnatalli]

But the quicker you can take a missile out the better. It is much easier and more accurate. I really think this is just Obama caving to Russia. If Russia put's the clamps on Iran then it is a good move but I wouldn't hold your breath.

I don't think he's caving. The U.S. has no reason to cave unless it had reasonable certainty it will gain something. I'm betting the deal has already been made. If Russia doesn't return something, nothing stops the U.S. from putting it somewhere else that will anger them. Something else to keep in mind is that 70% of Czechs opposed the shield. Not to mention how much it costs for something that doesn't work anyways.

 

[tcarcio]

I don't think he's caving. The U.S. has no reason to cave unless it had reasonable certainty it will gain something. I'm betting the deal has already been made. If Russia doesn't return something, nothing stops the U.S. from putting it somewhere else that will anger them. Something else to keep in mind is that 70% of Czechs opposed the shield. Not to mention how much it costs for something that doesn't work anyways.

I hope your right but if not it's a cave.......

 

[rnatalli]

I hope your right but if not it's a cave.......

I agree, but it's easy to go right back to where things were yesterday so doesn't hurt to try making a deal.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Yes, but didn't one guy in the Kremlin pounded the podium at the UN with his shoes proclaiming he will bury the US??? Maybe we should have launched

Yeah maybe we should have because look at us now; destroyed from within just like he said

 

[rnatalli]

I personally like Stalin's quote:

"When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope"

He was a lunatic, but does have some fun quotes.